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Topic: Double ball strings for keyless steel. |
Johnie King
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 8:45 am |
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 Has anyone made double ball strings for a keyless head steel?
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Johnie King
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 8:51 am
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Would be nice to design a keyless head for a steel similar to this Steinberger
Design.
Steinberger guitars an bass guitars started in 1979 building headless guitars there still going strong in 2022
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Johnie King
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 8:56 am
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 9:15 am
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Keyless Williams steels would be a good candidate for double ball strings.
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Chris Templeton
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 9:27 am
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Double balled strings are a no brainer. .
Buddy had a bunch of Keyless guitars that he had me send back to the company and they made him a keyed one.
He said that he went back to a keyed guitar because the public was used to seeing one. I think it was because the strings were not fun to change. Easier with threee hands.
Since you are a great designer/tinkerer/machinist (also Zane's Dad), maybe think about putting together a double-balled string E9 set and a universal nut to accommodate the tuner ball.
Ned sell this strings.He probably doesn't have all the gauges steelers need, but he could steer you in the right direction.
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Johnie King
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 10:17 am
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I would like the keyless body long enough also too start the (a)pedal three inches behind the nut. Similar too the one pictured here.
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Chris Templeton
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 11:59 am
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That's a great idea! Make more room.
I've never thought keyless guitars had much difference in sound,
My Fessenden is the first metal neck guitar I've had and there' a certain "growl" that I attribute to metal necks, I like that, especially playing rhythm with a 10-8-6 chord grip.
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Chris Templeton
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 1:22 pm
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| Not to rain on anyone's parade, but has anyone taken into consideration the fact that not all keyless guitars have the same scale (string) length? Many existing keyless models don't have a lot of adjustment, and it's hard to make this come about without some standardization. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 1:35 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| Not to rain on anyone's parade, but has anyone taken into consideration the fact that not all keyless guitars have the same scale (string) length? Many existing keyless models don't have a lot of adjustment, and it's hard to make this come about without some standardization. |
That was my first thought. They'd almost have to be brand specific.
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Bobby D. Jones
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West Virginia, USA
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Posted 2 Apr 2022 9:03 pm
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
| Not to rain on anyone's parade, but has anyone taken into consideration the fact that not all keyless guitars have the same scale (string) length? Many existing keyless models don't have a lot of adjustment, and it's hard to make this come about without some standardization. |
I agree with Donny.
String length would be a problem from one make guitar to another.
To use a string with a ball on both ends on existing guitar, Would take some modification, To the piece that the string's bare/dead end now connects to. Remove the screw string lock system, Or modify it with a pin to hold the string's looped or ball end. Or replace the piece with a slot to lock and hold a ball end on the tuner. |
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Larry Ball
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Airdrie, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 3 Apr 2022 8:27 am
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I agree with Johnie about his idea on strings for a keyless head. However I have found out a couple of things regarding changing strings on my “Williams SD12 Extended E9 Keyless”.
(1) You don’t have to tighten locking cap nuts as hard as I was or you will twist one off like I did.
(2) Restring from the bottom up rather than from the top down. Much easier to snip off the strings.
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Loren Morehouse
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Meadowlands, MN USA
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Posted 7 Apr 2022 11:48 am
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| Johnnie, where'd you get that tool from? |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 8 Apr 2022 4:00 pm
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I think people who put stings on pianos use these too put a loop on piano strings.
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Loren Morehouse
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Meadowlands, MN USA
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Posted 8 Apr 2022 4:09 pm
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| Interesting! |
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Chris Templeton
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The Green Mountain State
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Posted 8 Apr 2022 5:08 pm
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Yes, too many differences in string lengths.
I'd like to seea guitar company add that as a feature.
With today's economy, the cost in time and money, redesign the nut, get a stock of strings . It's not practical.
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Chris Lucker
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Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 8 Apr 2022 9:47 pm
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You are trying to solve a problem that does not exist.
Pull the normal string tight. Lock. Fine tune. Bingo.
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2022 4:24 pm
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The Williams would be a good candidate for double ball strings.
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Chris Lucker
From:
Los Angeles, California USA
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Posted 11 Apr 2022 6:20 pm
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That is a tool like Herters used to sell for making fishing lures such as spinners.
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 12 Apr 2022 12:00 am
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Cris be careful you are telling some of our ages. Herter's was a unique company, When it came to fishing rod and lure making for materials and tools for fisherman.
I even have a set of Herter's Bull Cook Books. |
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