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Topic: Single neck C6 question |
Dean Gray
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Posted 31 Mar 2022 4:15 pm |
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Hi folks, I am on the Williams waitlist for a S10, C6 tuning.
I don't want a uni or a D10, I want to dive into C6 with 5 pedals and 4 levers.
I know B0B has added A and B pedals to his D6 setup, can you get the same change on just one pedal (I guess that's what they did before the A and B pedals were split right?).
And if so, instead of adding a pedal for that combined function could it be put on a left knee vertical lever?
I know this sounds like I should just get a uni but I don't want a full blown 12 string E9. The 6th tuning is home for me, and a full C6 copedent will keep me busy till I die, but that one AB change with moving voices is nice!
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scott murray
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Asheville, NC
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Posted 31 Mar 2022 5:23 pm
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my copedent is somewhat unique but I get the A&B changes on C6 by raising strings 8 & 4 a half (A to Bb) on left knee vertical and strings 7 & 3 a whole (C to D) on left knee right. I also raise strings 2 & 6 a half (E to F) with my pedal 4.
so, starting with pedal 4 engaged on open strings I have an F chord, then adding the 2 levers gives me the Bb chord. I can operate the levers together or independent of each other which is nice. then I've got the 5 chord with no pedals/levers which becomes a dominant 7 with the vertical lever. I like having the I, IV, V chords contained in a single fret position, like on E9.
a simpler option, and I believe Buddy Emmons experimented with this, is raising string 6 a half (E to F) and string 5 a whole (G to A), which takes you from a C to F chord on open strings.
I know some players (including John Hughey I believe) put the A&B changes on one lever (or pedal) as you describe, similar to the original Bud Isaacs change.
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Dean Gray
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New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 31 Mar 2022 6:59 pm
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Thanks Scott, the Buddy Emmons method you describe is what I was imagining. Is this a reasonable thing to do with a lever, tension wise? Just wondering if it would be stiff.
Youy set up is very interesting, though I can't imagine how long it takes to program that kind of muscle memory!
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 1 Apr 2022 2:34 am
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| scott murray wrote: |
my copedent is somewhat unique but I get the A&B changes on C6 by raising strings 8 & 4 a half (A to Bb) on left knee vertical and strings 7 & 3 a whole (C to D) on left knee right. I also raise strings 2 & 6 a half (E to F) with my pedal 4.
so, starting with pedal 4 engaged on open strings I have an F chord, then adding the 2 levers gives me the Bb chord. I can operate the levers together or independent of each other which is nice. then I've got the 5 chord with no pedals/levers which becomes a dominant 7 with the vertical lever. I like having the I, IV, V chords contained in a single fret position, like on E9.
a simpler option, and I believe Buddy Emmons experimented with this, is raising string 6 a half (E to F) and string 5 a whole (G to A), which takes you from a C to F chord on open strings.
I know some players (including John Hughey I believe) put the A&B changes on one lever (or pedal) as you describe, similar to the original Bud Isaacs change. |
I did that exact same thing back in the 1970's and 80's. In 1983, my band was the staff band for a weekly cable TV variety show where I played "Bud's Bounce" to open and close the show. I played it on the C6, pretty much note for note as how I played it on E9. I got the idea from talking with Bobby Black about E9 sounds on C6, although I don't think he put these changes on his guitar. He and I were discussing how players wanted to get C6 sounds from the E9. We came up with the changes as Scott posted. I used P6 though for the F chord up top (Didn’t have a spare pedal to change both E's to F), A's to Bb on LKR, and C's to D on RKL. It was pretty cool.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Gary Spaeth
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Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 1 Apr 2022 4:56 am
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| i raise g to g#. playing strings 5 3 2 slide up one fret, raise g to g# and engage knee on c string lower gives 4 chord. also get all the e9 3 and 5 harmonies with 5 and 2 raisin g as harmony requires. with no changes play strings 5 3lowered and 1(d) pull string 1 up whole tone with second finger while releasing knee for bud's bounce cadence. |
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