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Topic: C6th question about A string lower |
b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2022 12:06 am |
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Buddy Emmons had a lever that simply lowered his middle A a half-step. I have that (on a vertical) but I don't use it very often. When I do use it, I avoid the G string next to it. Would I be missing anything important if that lever also lowered the G to F#? That seems like it would be more useful.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 3 Mar 2022 1:08 am
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It has two main uses.
1. with P5 to give D7b5 (strictly D9b5)
2. with P6 to give Fm if you avoid string 5 and Fm9 if you don't.
Ideally, it should lower 8 as well. Lowering 5 would duplicate (1.) and mess up (2.)
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 3 Mar 2022 6:03 am
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| FIW I lower both 4+8, nice Cmaj7 with p6 at 4th fret,alone E#5 @4th. Also a nice minor walk down Dminor @5th fret. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2022 8:15 am
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Buddy didn't lower both A's. My main use of it has been for the AmMaj7. I never thought of it for Fm because I don't lower the low A.
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Christopher Woitach
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 3 Mar 2022 8:56 am
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It might depend on your needs - I use it a lot. All the chords mentioned above, including your minor Maj7, are good.
In the music I play, using major, minor, and dominant chords based on my equivalent of the 9th string root are really important, and lowering both A strings and using P6 is super useful. I also like having access to the chromatic places for single notes, so Iād never lower another string with it.
I can see how your idea could be useful, for sure, just would mess with my world. Might be great for yours!
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Gary Spaeth
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Wisconsin, USA
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Posted 5 Mar 2022 7:07 am
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at 0 fret it gives you an e7 with c lowered to b on strings 6 4- 3- 2 1(d). on the 1st fret is your 4 chord f and 5 chord on third fret. since 4th string is the 3rd releasing gives you an e sus.
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Bernie Watruba
From:
Ohio, USA
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Posted 5 Mar 2022 10:23 am Ab lever
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bOb, a nice 5/chord on the 11th fret. Use pedals 5 & 6 with the Ab lever. At the 11th fret you will have,
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3 - B
4 - G
5 - F
6 - D
7 - B
Since you are not flatting your 8th string to Ab, you can add your 8 & 9 string giving you a
G7b9
3 - B
4 - G
5 - F
6 - D
7 - B
8 - Ab
9 - F
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Ron Funk
From:
Ballwin, Missouri
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Posted 5 Mar 2022 11:15 pm
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b0b
Wasn't Buddy's main use of Lowering (only) String 4 a half-tone on C6th to obtain an Augmented chord at the 'Open' position?
Play strings 7 thru 2 .....but omit string 5
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b0b
From:
Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 6 Mar 2022 7:38 am
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I'm not sure how Buddy used it, but the augmented chord is the most obvious use. In that case, my idea of lowering G on the same lever is a bad one. Thanks for the reminder, Ron.
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J D Sauser
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Wellington, Florida
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Posted 17 Mar 2022 8:46 am
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| b0b wrote: |
| Buddy didn't lower both A's. My main use of it has been for the AmMaj7. I never thought of it for Fm because I don't lower the low A. |
"Asymmetry" is quite often so desirable, especially in Jazz. I think BE sometimes only raised A-to-B on the middle A.
I lower and raise both on separate V-levers. I have a pedal on the far right of my pedals which raises my bottom D (instead of the conventional C) back to C but also raises AND lowers the low A string a little more than 1/2 note to... A... but the changer scissors are both pulled, so that IF that pedal is engaged, my A levers only actuate on the top A (raise or lower). While it works, it's still experimental, if I keep it.
As suggested the "5th" pedal ("Two Below 9th chord"-change) would lower your adjacent string half to what you are looking for. I used these two together often.
... J-D.
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Bill Cunningham
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Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 18 Mar 2022 7:52 pm
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I, like Christopher and John, find lowering both Aās highly valuable. I guess it goes to style and taste and how much you are into playing chords.
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Steve Cattermole
From:
California, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2022 2:26 pm
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| I'm using the A-Ab more and more ,strings 4&8. I get, at the open position C aug , with ped 6 Ab mAJ 7, with ped 5&6 Ab Dom 7th,with ped 5 it's a D#11(b5)( 2nd chord in "Take the A Train), with ped 6 it's a Fm. A way to use it is in Girl from Ipanema , the 2 5 1(Key of F) Gm fret 3 ped 7 , fret 4 ped 5 + A-Ab , fret 5 open, then fret 6 open to complete the turnaround. Seems like I'm forgetting one , I'll work on it CATT |
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