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KENNY KRUPNICK

 

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Columbus, Ohio
Post  Posted 4 Jun 2002 11:04 am    
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I was wondering if anyone tuned their dobro or their lap steel to a tempered tuning?
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Ricky Davis


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Post  Posted 4 Jun 2002 11:54 am    
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I do.

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Rick Aiello


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Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 4 Jun 2002 12:46 pm    
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Tempered tuning .... ???

Do you mean Equal Temperment (ET) ... straight up ... A440 ...

If you do I know Mr. Davis doesn't
(I like to lurk around the pedal steel section ... more HEAT over there)

If you mean Just Intonation (JI) ... all strings agreein' with the tonic note's overtone series .... "Beatless Tuning" ... frequencies deviating from their ET values...

I do.

About every week this comes up over in the pedal steel section ... lots of entertainin' readin' for sure.

Somethin' that doesn't get mentioned much ...

On most note combinations in a phrase you really don't ever stay long enough to hear individual beats (unless your way out of tune) ... A 1 Hz difference between two strings produces 1 beat each second...

BUT their presence causes an unsettled, uneasy, stressed.... sort of nervous feelin' ...

I'm usually nervous enough ... I don't need my 2 or 3 note combos makin' it worse.

Those pedal guys who get 30 chords per fret seem to be havin' a hard time stayin' in the JI arena ... Seems like the ones that double on non-pedal have an easier time.

I like to keep my 6 strings in harmonic agreement with each other ...

Like my mom used to say ... just cause everyone else is doin' it(guitars, piano...) doesn't make it right.

Speakin' of pianos ... a friend is a piano tuner and I have gone with him on jobs ... Pianos are not tuned "straight-up ET" ... he has had to go fix many a piano that the owner had used an electronic tuner on (tryin' to avoid the cost of a pro).

Anyway, I think most us were initially attracted to the steel guitar because of its unique ability to produce EXTENSIVE harmonic overtones ... in agreement with each other... anywhere on the fretboard.

Just my Opinion though .. and who am I anyway

[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 04 June 2002 at 05:44 PM.]

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C Dixon

 

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Duluth, GA USA
Post  Posted 4 Jun 2002 2:26 pm    
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Tempered tuning and ET and straight 440 reference are one and the same.

This according to b0b, our wonderful leader and books I have read on the subject.

carl
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Roy Thomson


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Wolfville, Nova Scotia,Canada
Post  Posted 4 Jun 2002 4:33 pm    
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Kenny: 440 on all strings except the 2nd and
the 5th which are both "B" if we are talking the bluegrass tuning.
Drop those two strings a mite below 440 until
they sound "in" to your ear.
On my tuner they are around 438 +.
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Bobby Lee


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Cloverdale, California, USA
Post  Posted 4 Jun 2002 4:33 pm    
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Actually, Carl, "tempered" refers to any tuning that is not "just intonation" (JI). Equal temperament (ET) is just one way, albeit the most common, to temper an instrument. I temper my pedal steels a variety of ways, but for lap steel I prefer JI.

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KENNY KRUPNICK

 

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Columbus, Ohio
Post  Posted 4 Jun 2002 6:55 pm    
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Thanks to all your replies. especially to Mr. Roy Thompson.I've always tuned my dobro,the bluegrass tuning, GBDGBD,all to 440,and I've payed really close attention to the open tuning,and it doesn't sound right. When I get my dobro out,and restring it,I'll try that.
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Stephen Gambrell

 

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Post  Posted 5 Jun 2002 8:14 am    
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Really, with a resonator guitar, it doesn't matter as much, with all the single string and slant stuff going on. Besides, how do you get in tune with a banjo? Huh? Huh?
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Ron Randall

 

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Dallas, Texas, USA
Post  Posted 5 Jun 2002 10:07 am    
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This is a fun subject. I guess I am hooked on it.

My opinion:
Why are there so many ways to tune???
There are many needs. Necessity is a mother...of invention.

Gotta be in context. If playing alone for fun or profit, tune Just Intonation. No beats. This works because the root note is almost always on the same string with dobro, lap steel, etc. The third is almost always on the same string, etc.

Bluegrass pickin' on a guitar or dobro? Better be JI or you will be escorted to the door. Ever sing bluegrass harmonies? Better be JI.

If you are playing jazz with a group, better be ET. Root note is moving from string to string as complex chords are moving all around the neck.

Playing with a symphony orchestra, or a 24 piece band all night? I have. Better be ET.

Keep it in context. Make it sound good.
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Rick Aiello


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Berryville, VA USA
Post  Posted 5 Jun 2002 10:45 am    
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I agree, fun topic !!

Speakin' of Symphony Orchestras ... Have y'all heard Jerry Byrd's "Polynesian Suite" .... an outstanding example of JB's ability to play all types of music on steel guitar.

[This message was edited by Rick Aiello on 05 June 2002 at 01:34 PM.]

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