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Topic: George L Wound to Fender Specs |
Rick Abbott
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Indiana, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2021 11:47 am |
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I watched that Rig-Rundown with Ray Benson and Cindy Cashdollar. Cindy said her pickups are wound to "Fender specs," which I assume would mean 8.5-9K ohms.
Who is building pickups these days, or, who would you look to for a low ohm pedal steel sized pickup? My guitar has George L 10-1 pickups and I genuinely hate them in this guitar. It's a Remington Steel Master.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 29 Dec 2021 12:16 pm
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| My first call would be Scott Swartz at Steeltronics to see if he'd take on the project of winding a single coil pickup to those specs. |
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Greg Forsyth
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Colorado, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2021 12:33 pm Sentell Pickups
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Hi Rick,
You might try Sentell Pickups. They build a number of steel pickups including 8 string Stringmaster style Pups for Fender 1000. They build custom Pups and will take your specs and build to them. Also, their pricing is very reasonable.
I have a Sentell Tennesee Honey P90 style in a 6 string I built and it sounds fabulous. Right now they are making me a custom Tennesee Honey for a 8 string that I'm starting to build.
Here's a link to their steel pickup page. Check it out!
https://www.sentellpickups.net/steel |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 29 Dec 2021 12:59 pm
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Wow! Two fast and great replies. I'll check into both.
Those ZB pickups Scott makes might be the perfect answer...
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Marc Jenkins
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Victoria, British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 29 Dec 2021 1:03 pm
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| Rick Abbott wrote: |
Wow! Two fast and great replies. I'll check into both.
Those ZB pickups Scott makes might be the perfect answer... |
I have one of Scott’s Z pickups in my Show Pro. I was tracking some steel yesterday and I noticed how Fender-y/ish the steel sounded. |
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Jon Light
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 29 Dec 2021 1:03 pm
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| The ZB's just might. Or he's got Sho-Bud & Emmons style sc's and his demo of his new humbucker sounds really good. You always read about "just like single coils!" but these really sound like they get closer than most. |
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Ken Metcalf
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San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2021 8:59 am
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Those ZB pickups Scott makes might be the perfect answer...
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2021 10:23 am
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I have emailed Scott about the ZBs.
Anyone have an opinion about coil resistance? I might be wrong, but aren't ZB pickups in the 13-14.5K range? Would 9K sound too thin? What I want to do is brighten up a very midrangy and dark guitar. But, I don't want thin, either.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Mike DiAlesandro
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Kent, Ohio
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Posted 31 Dec 2021 11:20 am
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Lots of choices. 
Last edited by Mike DiAlesandro on 31 Dec 2021 1:44 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 31 Dec 2021 12:07 pm
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I have emailed Scott about the ZBs.
Anyone have an opinion about coil resistance? I might be wrong, but aren't ZB pickups in the 13-14.5K range? Would 9K sound too thin? What I want to do is brighten up a very midrangy and dark guitar. But, I don't want thin, either. |
There's a lot more to what makes any given pickup sound the way it does than can be measured simply by its DC resistance. Magnet strength and composition play a huge role, as does the overall mass and inductance of the entire system.
From reading Scott Swartz's posts here, I believe he understands this stuff well and I suspect if you tell him what sound you're after he will know what combination of factors will get you there.
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All lies and jest, still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest - Paul Simon |
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Rick Abbott
From:
Indiana, USA
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Posted 31 Dec 2021 2:15 pm
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| Rick Abbott wrote: |
I have emailed Scott about the ZBs.
Anyone have an opinion about coil resistance? I might be wrong, but aren't ZB pickups in the 13-14.5K range? Would 9K sound too thin? What I want to do is brighten up a very midrangy and dark guitar. But, I don't want thin, either. |
There's a lot more to what makes any given pickup sound the way it does than can be measured simply by its DC resistance. Magnet strength and composition play a huge role, as does the overall mass and inductance of the entire system.
From reading Scott Swartz's posts here, I believe he understands this stuff well and I suspect if you tell him what sound you're after he will know what combination of factors will get you there. |
Indeed. I was just wondering about ZB pickups being too thin if they were wound to such a low resistance when compared to a "normal" one. The rest of the pickup construction wouldn't change. I'll ask Scott.
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RICK ABBOTT
Sho~Bud D-10 Professional #7962
Remington T-8, Sehy #112
1975 Peavey Pacer |
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Scott Swartz
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St. Louis, MO
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Posted 31 Dec 2021 4:25 pm
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Ian has correctly stated the two most important things that affect the tone of a pickup - the inductance and the behavior of the magnetic circuit.
My Z series is 6.5 Henries of inductance and 9K of resistance.
Typical ZB pickup in the middle position is 6.5 Henries and 13.5 K resistance.
The inductance tracks almost exactly with number of turns and I matched the ZB spec on that and my magnetic circuit is very similar.
What is different?
Simple, ZB used 44 ga wire because they needed space to wind their highest tap.
I use 42 ga wire because I find it has a clearer midrange than 44 ga, not a huge difference but it was there in my testing. I could just as easily use 44 as ZB did and my Z Series would measure 13.5 K as well.
With regard to comparing the My Z Series or an original ZB pickup to a single you can hear that in the recent video I put up here, there are both of those and 14K and 17K 1/4 diameter rod magnet single coils. To my ears the ZB falls sort of in between the two single coils with the bright low end like the 14 K but smoother highs like the 17 K. Everyone will hear it differently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=hyUgu0Bjpoc&feature=emb_logo
Rick, I am not seeing an email from you, perhaps try the forum PM
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Scott Swartz
Steeltronics - Steel Guitar Pickups
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