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Chuck Morel
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Pottersville, New York
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Posted 2 Nov 2021 10:41 am |
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Hello., I probably should know this but I don't so...
On my D-10 GFI, Pedal 4 or (D) is lowering strings 5 and 10 from B to A#. Is this normal? Is it the Franklin Pedal?
Is it lowering to the right note and how the hech do I use it? It just doesn't sound right with anything I do. Please be kind in your response as due to meds I get confused easily. Thanks for anything you might be able to share about this change.
Best Regards
Chuck Morel |
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Mike Holder
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Alabama! Home of the great “Don Helms” & his singer “Hank Williams”!
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Posted 2 Nov 2021 10:57 am Pedal 4
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All questions are welcomed on the Forum. I think your pedal 4 is supposed to drop strings 5 & 10 a full tone from B to A, you may have a knee lever that lowers string 6 a full tone also.. if you do it appears someone is using a split option on the Franklin pedal idea.
A Franklin pedal 4 or zero pedal lowers 5,6, & 10 a full tone but players such as Tommy White split that change and drop 5 & 10 on a pedal as well as 6 on a knee lever which allows several chord and lick options.
You may also have a knee lever that lowers 5 & 10 a half tone from B to Bb, this is also a great change but used in conjunction with your A & B pedals which is why I think your 4th pedal isn’t tuned appropriately because it’s quite difficult to use the A & B pedal as well as your 4th ( D ) pedal unless you use both feet
Bottom line is you have more than enough to work with for quite some time..enjoy
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Chuck Morel
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Pottersville, New York
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Posted 2 Nov 2021 2:38 pm
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Hello Mike and thank you very much for explaining that to me so I could understand. Im going to lower from A# down to A on stringe 5&10 on pedal 4 and see what I can come up with. I will also chech for the knee lever which may lower the 6 string. I'm really happy you answered my post. Can't wait to play around with it.
Thanks again and stay safe.
Best Regards.
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Mike Holder
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Alabama! Home of the great “Don Helms” & his singer “Hank Williams”!
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Posted 2 Nov 2021 2:48 pm
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Chuck; glad it was understandable to you, sounds like you have a good setup on your guitar so lots of licks and chords will be underneath your fingertips! Enjoy!!
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 2 Nov 2021 7:51 pm
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If I may be permitted...
The lowering of 5 & 10 on P4 is not necessarily an error or mistake. It's an older move that was sometimes referred to as the "Brumley Pedal", and it was used to get the famous"Together Again" lick (a 9th chord) with more voicing. P4 is the correct position for the pedal if you are using a "Day" setup (C-B-A) because it works best beside the "A" pedal. I have that very change on three of my guitars, and I simply prefer it to lowering either the 5th or 6th string a full tone.
Different strokes...mostly for us older folks (that like to keep things simple).  |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 3 Nov 2021 9:09 am
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| Donny Hinson wrote: |
If I may be permitted...
The lowering of 5 & 10 on P4 is not necessarily an error or mistake. It's an older move that was sometimes referred to as the "Brumley Pedal", and it was used to get the famous"Together Again" lick (a 9th chord) with more voicing. P4 is the correct position for the pedal if you are using a "Day" setup (C-B-A) because it works best beside the "A" pedal. I have that very change on three of my guitars, and I simply prefer it to lowering either the 5th or 6th string a full tone.
Different strokes...mostly for us older folks (that like to keep things simple). |
I am a Day player and P4 on my guitar lowers 5 & 10 to Bb as Donny mentioned. Love those changes on the pedal as opposed to a knee lever.
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Les Cargill
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Oklahoma City, Ok, USA
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Posted 4 Nov 2021 11:34 pm
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| I have that on a knee lever. It takes an A+B and makes it a minor among other things. |
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Karl Paulsen
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Chicago
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Posted 5 Nov 2021 4:16 am
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| Les Cargill wrote: |
| I have that on a knee lever. It takes an A+B and makes it a minor among other things. |
I have that on the knee as well. In my extremely limited understanding the ability to take the A+B to a minor is the main advantage of having it on the knee, though wiser heads have already pointed out reasons to have it on the floor.
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 5 Nov 2021 9:43 am
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| Karl Paulsen wrote: |
| Les Cargill wrote: |
| I have that on a knee lever. It takes an A+B and makes it a minor among other things. |
I have that on the knee as well. In my extremely limited understanding the ability to take the A+B to a minor is the main advantage of having it on the knee, though wiser heads have already pointed out reasons to have it on the floor. |
I get the Am easily by half-pedalling the A pedal, or going up one fret, letting off the A & B pedals, and hitting the E to D# lever. They are all the same minor chord. I can also play a rootless minor with my A pedal and the pedal next to it that lowers B to Bb. I don’t feel I lose anything by having it on a pedal as opposed to a lever. I mainly use to get the 2~9 chord similar to pedal 5 on C6.
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