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Topic: .012 string for G# to F# lower? |
Charlie McDonald
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 5:32 am |
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| Does anyone have experience with attaining a full step lower on string 3 using a 12 ga. string? |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 6:17 am
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| I tried with an .011 and couldn't do it on a Sierra Session. |
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 7:22 am
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| Remember that you don't have to put in a pull rod to test it. Just push on the lower bar with a screwdriver or something. Watch the raise bar to be sure that it doesn't move. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 7:26 am
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| MSA's, both old and new, will do it with ease! Even a .010 will drop a full tone, if you switch to a lighter return spring. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 7:59 am
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Cool, Donny.
I'll report my findings later.
Donny, if you're still tuned in, it seems like you mentioned about splits--that is, a raise will pull less than a lower, or vice versa, I forget.
Do you recall that?[This message was edited by Charlie McDonald on 28 August 2006 at 09:01 AM.] |
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Mike Perlowin
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Los Angeles CA
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 9:43 am
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| I believe that there is very little that can be accomplished with this change that cannot also be done with other changes and some bar movement. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 10:38 am
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I understand that.
I've taken notice of a lot of the way I play piano and what figures I like to use best. The suspended 2nd of the scale is a fixture of mine.
I know some people accomplish that by raising the F#.
Added to say, it's all in how I visualize the chord inversions in a linear way. It's very useful for visualizing chords on a steel.[This message was edited by Charlie McDonald on 28 August 2006 at 11:41 AM.] |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 11:12 am
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| I get the G#>F# change with a .012 on my Carter (actually it is an A>G change with the B pedal down) It is a long throw but it works. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 12:37 pm
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| Charlie: The MSA (and a few other guitars, as well) will lower a string more than it will raise a string, due to the changer geometry. As usual, there's some workarounds and mods to accomplish changes outside of original changer specifications. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 12:46 pm
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My thought was whether a G#->F# lower, when used with the B pedal, could accomplish a G; but it appears it would produce a minor third that's too flat.
Thanks.
Altho, from what Jon says, it might work.[This message was edited by Charlie McDonald on 28 August 2006 at 01:47 PM.] |
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Jon Light (deceased)
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Saugerties, NY
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 12:55 pm
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| Without split tuning hardware on 3, I have found that you can get an in tune F# or an in tune G (with B pedal)----take your pick---but not both. Either/or. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 28 Aug 2006 12:58 pm
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| a G#->F# lower, when used with the B pedal, could accomplish a G; but it appears it would produce a minor third that's too flat. |
You could put another rod on there that raises it up to G. |
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