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Topic: Your thoughts on a "convertible" PSG? |
Alan Struthers
From: New Jersey, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 12:50 pm
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I've been playing about 16 months on an S10 E9 and have been starting to think about getting a different instrument for C6 possibilities. (And I know I have much to learn on the E9 neck, but I'd like to try to learn some jazz voicings for western swing and I don't mind spending the money for a second professional-level guitar.)
I've read the discussions about U12 vs. E9/C6 vs. ext E9, but I just ran across a type of PS called a "convertible," where a lever switches between E9 and C6 and, apparently, all the pedals and knee levers work in both tunings. Obviously, this type of PSG would not have the ability of a U12 to mix the possibilities of both tunings, but are there other disadvantages or advantages to a convertible guitar? Does anyone here play one? Would one be useful for a newby like me?
Thanks in advance for your help! _________________ Gettin' better . . .
Excel ExSTAR U12, Mullen Royal Precision D-10, MCI SD10, Peavy Nashville 112, Fender Princeton, Gibson RB-3, Gold Tone dobro, Martin D-18, and other stuff |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 2:09 pm
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I think Sho~Bud was the first to do this on a model called a "Crossover", but that was decades ago. It worked, after a fashion, but never caught on due to some occasional problems with the mechanism. As I recall, Excel (Fuzzy) also made one or two of them, and that model was reported to work better, but I've never seen or played one. My advice for a beginner would be to go with something more standard, preferably a D10 or maybe a U12 (Universal tuning) guitar with what's called a lock lever. You might have better luck finding one of those, since a couple of companies made them.
This thread (among many) may give you some more insight:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372294&highlight=d13 |
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K Maul
From: Hadley, NY/Hobe Sound, FL
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 2:15 pm
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Williams makes a Crossover(or used to) that’s a better design than the old ShoBuds. EXCEL and Williams are both very high quality guitars. _________________ KEVIN MAUL: Airline, Beard, Clinesmith, Donner, Evans, Excel, Fender, Fluger, GFI, Gibson, Hilton, Ibanez, Justice, K+K, Live Strings, MOYO, National, Oahu, Peterson, Quilter, Rickenbacher, Sho~Bud, Supro, TC, Ultimate, VHT, Williams, X-otic, Yamaha, ZKing. |
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Kelcey ONeil
From: Sevierville, TN
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 6:55 pm
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You’d most likely be better off with a D10, or if you’re fine with having two guitars, an S12 in some kind of C universal tuning rather than an E9/B6 deal. _________________ Co-owner and operator: Emmons Guitar Co. |
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Dave Magram
From: San Jose, California, USA
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 10:14 pm Re: Your thoughts--Johnny Cox's D13th tuning on SD12
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Alan Struthers wrote: |
I've been playing about 16 months on an S10 E9 and have been starting to think about getting a different instrument for C6 possibilities. (And I know I have much to learn on the E9 neck, but I'd like to try to learn some jazz voicings for western swing and I don't mind spending the money for a second professional-level guitar.)
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Alan,
You may want to consider Johnny Cox's very innovative D13th tuning on an SD12 guitar--as heard on this YouTube video:
"D13th on SD12 MSA Legend—Johnny Cox"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O50XMV0Wbyk
Discussion on:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372290
- Dave |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 1 Sep 2021 11:50 pm
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Alan, you said "mix the possibilities" which is a clue that you should consider the B6/E9 universal tuning which is the most common.
And you don't have to wait until you've mastered the E9 before you explore C6. I started on a D10 and studied both in parallel (with the rear neck tuned down to B6). I soon swapped to a uni and there is a lot of useful overlap between the tunings.
Tip - the Day setup works best as having pedals A and 5 together is very useful. Also I have never used a lever lock. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Mike Vallandigham
From: Martinez, CA
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Posted 2 Sep 2021 11:09 am
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You're probably talking about the Excel S-12 Superb. E9/C6 gear-shifter.
There's nothing to know about these, they are exactly the same as having a D-12 (with however many pedals and knees you like). Only difference is that you don't have to move your hands from one neck to the other?
It's exactly the same as a D-10 or D12.
It can also become a U12 with the gear-shifter doing the B lever thing.
It's the same mechanism, on a E9/C6 S-12, 10 of the 12 strings are retuned. And the Right Knee Levers change function.
These work flawlessly. I have two. |
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