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Alan Struthers

 

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Post  Posted 1 Sep 2021 12:50 pm    
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I've been playing about 16 months on an S10 E9 and have been starting to think about getting a different instrument for C6 possibilities. (And I know I have much to learn on the E9 neck, but I'd like to try to learn some jazz voicings for western swing and I don't mind spending the money for a second professional-level guitar.)
I've read the discussions about U12 vs. E9/C6 vs. ext E9, but I just ran across a type of PS called a "convertible," where a lever switches between E9 and C6 and, apparently, all the pedals and knee levers work in both tunings. Obviously, this type of PSG would not have the ability of a U12 to mix the possibilities of both tunings, but are there other disadvantages or advantages to a convertible guitar? Does anyone here play one? Would one be useful for a newby like me?
Thanks in advance for your help!
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Donny Hinson

 

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Post  Posted 1 Sep 2021 2:09 pm    
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I think Sho~Bud was the first to do this on a model called a "Crossover", but that was decades ago. It worked, after a fashion, but never caught on due to some occasional problems with the mechanism. As I recall, Excel (Fuzzy) also made one or two of them, and that model was reported to work better, but I've never seen or played one. My advice for a beginner would be to go with something more standard, preferably a D10 or maybe a U12 (Universal tuning) guitar with what's called a lock lever. You might have better luck finding one of those, since a couple of companies made them.

This thread (among many) may give you some more insight:

https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372294&highlight=d13
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K Maul


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Post  Posted 1 Sep 2021 2:15 pm    
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Williams makes a Crossover(or used to) that’s a better design than the old ShoBuds. EXCEL and Williams are both very high quality guitars.
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Kelcey ONeil


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Sevierville, TN
Post  Posted 1 Sep 2021 6:55 pm    
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You’d most likely be better off with a D10, or if you’re fine with having two guitars, an S12 in some kind of C universal tuning rather than an E9/B6 deal.
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Dave Magram

 

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San Jose, California, USA
Post  Posted 1 Sep 2021 10:14 pm     Re: Your thoughts--Johnny Cox's D13th tuning on SD12
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Alan Struthers wrote:
I've been playing about 16 months on an S10 E9 and have been starting to think about getting a different instrument for C6 possibilities. (And I know I have much to learn on the E9 neck, but I'd like to try to learn some jazz voicings for western swing and I don't mind spending the money for a second professional-level guitar.)

Alan,
You may want to consider Johnny Cox's very innovative D13th tuning on an SD12 guitar--as heard on this YouTube video:
"D13th on SD12 MSA Legend—Johnny Cox"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O50XMV0Wbyk

Discussion on:
https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372290

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Ian Rae


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Redditch, England
Post  Posted 1 Sep 2021 11:50 pm    
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Alan, you said "mix the possibilities" which is a clue that you should consider the B6/E9 universal tuning which is the most common.

And you don't have to wait until you've mastered the E9 before you explore C6. I started on a D10 and studied both in parallel (with the rear neck tuned down to B6). I soon swapped to a uni and there is a lot of useful overlap between the tunings.

Tip - the Day setup works best as having pedals A and 5 together is very useful. Also I have never used a lever lock.
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Mike Vallandigham

 

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Martinez, CA
Post  Posted 2 Sep 2021 11:09 am    
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You're probably talking about the Excel S-12 Superb. E9/C6 gear-shifter.

There's nothing to know about these, they are exactly the same as having a D-12 (with however many pedals and knees you like). Only difference is that you don't have to move your hands from one neck to the other?

It's exactly the same as a D-10 or D12.

It can also become a U12 with the gear-shifter doing the B lever thing.

It's the same mechanism, on a E9/C6 S-12, 10 of the 12 strings are retuned. And the Right Knee Levers change function.

These work flawlessly. I have two.
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