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Topic: Top 10 Songs To Learn |
Ron Forrest
From: Logan Ohio, USA
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Posted 21 Jul 2021 4:49 pm
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Hi,
Whats the top 10 songs for a newbie to get under there belt?
Thanks
Ron |
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 7:26 am
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There is no SET defined top 10 but there are plenty of songs which you should have under your belt which LEAD to other songs that may be similar or have similar voicings.
My position has always been prepare for a GIG, such as a Dance Hall or venue where folks will dance. You may not play these songs at a concert but none the less. You can never go wrong having some standards in your pockets as instrumentals. The band leader will LOVE you for this as [color=black]will those on the dance floor.
3/4 or 4/4's
here's a few that play well with ANY band on a dance gig.
Waltz Across Texas
Tenn Walts
Sweet Memories
Danny Boy
No One Will Ever Know (shuffle)
Together Again
Silver Wings
Last Date
and a few Hank Sr songs
Cheatin Heart
Jambalaya
and yes Learn Steel Guitar Rag ( E ) , don't dismiss it, you will get a request for it whether you want to or not.
Its real easy to study Hwy 40 Blues and not study and play something simple and pretty like Tenn Waltz which will pack a dance floor.
Just my opinion here.
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Jack Hanson
From: San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 7:39 am
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Sleepwalk, Steel Guitar Rag, and eight more of whatever strikes your fancy. |
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Ron Forrest
From: Logan Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 9:27 am
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Awesome advice and list of songs!! I'm a huge believer in simpler is better and the lessons that are learnt from concentrating on basics first. |
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Erv Niehaus
From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 9:53 am
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I agree with the simple advise.
Remember, you're playing for the audience, not a bunch of steel guitar players.
Er |
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Larry Baker
From: Columbia, Mo. U.S.A.
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 11:27 am
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Tom Brumleys Neosho Waltz _________________ Mullen G2 SD10 3 & 5 The Eagle
NV112 amp===Earnie Ball V.P. |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 12:26 pm
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What songs you play depends on the type of music you're playing, and the singer. Due to changes in the audience preferences over the past few decades, instrumentals are just not that popular anymore. Older people sometimes still want to hear an instrument featured, but young people these days probably don't even know what an instrumental is.
(To my knowledge, there hasn't been an instrumental hit on the charts in over 25 years.) |
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Ron Forrest
From: Logan Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 4:05 pm
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Erv,
I absolutely agree. My current practice regiment is to learn the song in it's simplest form and and add the embellishments that i can pull off consistently. You're tab for Blue Eyes Cryin In the Rain was great and I was able to learn the song and and taylor it to what i could play. I'm a firm believer in "Practice to your potential and play live to your ability"
I have the extreme honor of living with an hour of two great steel players, Mike Sigler and Greg Jones. Two completely different styles of playing but what a learning experience for someone trying to tackle the Steel Guitar. |
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Ron Forrest
From: Logan Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 4:12 pm
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Larry, This is a great song!!! I'll put it on my list!
Donny, I would love to see instrumentals make a comeback. I'm in the process of learning Sweet Memories and My Weakness is to Strong by John Hughey. Such great and emotional representations of these songs.
Thats the thing that attracts me to steel guitar is the emotion and being able to tell the story of a song. |
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Paul Strojan
From: California, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 4:56 pm
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Here is my list of 10 essential songs for a new steel guitarist. I have tried to pick iconic songs that show the range of the instrument.
Aloha Oe
Buckaroo
Ghost Riders in the Sky
Hey Good Looking
I'm So Lonesome I Could Cry
Sleep Walk
Slowly
Steel Guitar Rag
Till I Can Make it on My own
Top of World- Carpenters Song |
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Ron Forrest
From: Logan Ohio, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 6:00 pm
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Paul,
Those are excellent choices!! |
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Andrew Frost
From: Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 7:24 pm
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Learn Steel Guitar Rag ( E ) , don't dismiss it, you will get a request for it whether you want to or not. |
Good advice. That said, apparently, someone once asked Jerry Byrd if he would play Steel Guitar Rag. He said to the guy, "Well, pal, you're not going to believe your luck. Of all the steel players on the strip, you asked the one guy who will not play it for you." |
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Fred Treece
From: California, USA
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Posted 22 Jul 2021 9:34 pm
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Andrew Frost wrote: |
apparently, someone once asked Jerry Byrd if he would play Steel Guitar Rag. He said to the guy, "Well, pal, you're not going to believe your luck. Of all the steel players on the strip, you asked the one guy who will not play it for you." |
I love that lesson!
My first ten songs were Red River Valley, from the Winnie book. Er, at least it seemed like ten songs, anyway. |
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Erv Niehaus
From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2021 7:02 am
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You never know when you'll be asked to play a rather obscure song.
I was playing with a group in Phoenix and we set up in a bar in North Phoenix.
There happened to be some folks there who were having a birthday celebration.
The birthday lady came up to us and asked if we knew "Harbor Lights".
I knew it, played it for her, and she was so happy that she actually started to cry.
And I didn't think I played it that bad!!
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Andy Vance
From: Graham, Washington, USA
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Posted 23 Jul 2021 12:04 pm
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Ron,
You haven't mentioned if you are learning these songs for your own enjoyment, playing at home or if you are wanting to learn songs beneficial to being in a band and performing with them.
That may help give you some ideas, although... you will probably get 100 different answers |
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rick andrews
From: Westminster Co 80031
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 6:20 am
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Monk's Mood
Anthropology
A Night in Tunisia
Straight No Chaser
Giant Steps
Countdown
E's Flat Ah's Flat Too
Sister Sadie
I Mean You
Along Came Betty
What do you mean I'm fired? |
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Doug Beaumier
From: Northampton, MA
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 6:26 am
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Jack Hanson wrote: |
Sleepwalk, Steel Guitar Rag, and eight more of whatever strikes your fancy. |
Agreed! They're still the two most popular steel instrumentals, especially Sleep Walk. Audiences recognize it and respond to it.
Andrew Frost wrote: |
apparently, someone once asked Jerry Byrd if he would play Steel Guitar Rag. He said to the guy, "Well, pal, you're not going to believe your luck. Of all the steel players on the strip, you asked the one guy who will not play it for you." |
I think Jerry also refused to play Sleep Walk, for some reason. On one of the live videos from St. Louis, he told the audience that someone requested the song, and he said he doesn't play it. _________________ My Site / My YouTube Channel
25 Songs C6 Lap Steel / 25 MORE Songs C6 Lap Steel / 16 Songs, C6, A6, B11 / 60 Popular Melodies E9 Pedal Steel |
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Erv Niehaus
From: Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 6:50 am
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Familiarity breeds contempt!
Erv |
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Pete Finney
From: Nashville Tn.
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 7:21 am
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If your question is specifically about instrumentals then I've got nothing to add to the generally excellent advice here.
But if your question is more general, about learning songs you need to know to start playing with other people, then I personally think learning instrumentals should be pretty far down your list of priorities, as others have also suggested.
If there are any places near you where you can hear live music with a steel, I would strongly recommend you spend as much time as possible hanging out and listening closely, and speaking to the players. You'll get a much better idea of what kind of skills (and songs) you need to be working on. A search on the forum should turn up many threads about the most common country tunes typically played by bands, but those lists are all over the map depending on era etc., which is why I suggest seeing what bands might be playing in your area.
A little off-topic from the original question, but a few related thoughts come to mind:
For a long time going to see live music with a pedal-steel would have likely meant a band playing country music. My feeling is that things have shifted a lot and a lot of whatever opportunities are out there may be more about accompanying singer-songwriters or music that might have been considered more "folk" at one time (what people often call "Americana" these days). It seems to me that's a likely place these days to get first playing opportunities (that's true even in Nashville) and that becomes more about getting the skills you need to learn songs from a basic chord chart and by ear rather than knowing a group of songs.
With any of the above, one thing that I found fun starting out (and still do years later) is to just put on music that you like and try to play along, finding ways to fit what you know in with what you're hearing, however rough. That's the best way to start developing your ears for real world playing situations, in my opinion.
All of the above is just my opinion of course! |
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Larry Ball
From: Airdrie, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 7:55 am Enjoy The Song
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Someone once said in a thread on the forum “Like the Song First†…Your musical background (if any) will help you. Pete made a wise comment “Develop your earsâ€. This is so important as this instrument starts to talk to you as you start learning phrases etc. Your taste in music and the instrument will blend together to select your choice of songs. All the traditional songs have been played by many, many, great players and they all make them sound fantastic in different ways. The PSG has the potential to be played in many areas of music. So play what you like and as Pete said find groups to play along with to develop your musical ears
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Fred Treece
From: California, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 9:11 am
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I also agree with what Pete Finney said about developing skill sets.
There are no wrong questions, of course, but maybe the better question would be, what ten skills does a newb need to get under their belt first? I made a snarky comment about struggling in my early weeks to learn the Winnie Winston version of Red River Valley, but the brilliance of his arrangement lies in the fact that it is not meant to give the student the instant gratification of “learning a song†in a day or two, but to develop a skill set over a longer period of time that can be applied to hundred songs. |
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Doug Beaumier
From: Northampton, MA
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 11:31 am
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Andy Vance wrote: |
Ron,
You haven't mentioned if you are learning these songs for your own enjoyment, playing at home or if you are wanting to learn songs beneficial to being in a band and performing with them... |
That's important to know!
If one's goal is to play with a band, The "top 10 Songs for a newbie" could mean the top cover songs with important pedal steel parts/solos (Blue Bayou, Together Again, You Aint Goin' Nowhere, Teach Your Children, and most Hank, Patsy, Waylon, or the latest Bro Country! ). That would be for bandstand work.
Or it could mean the top 10 steel instrumentals... for home or bandstand.
I agree with the above posts about learning good technique, and I might add... some basic theory, chord positions for major, minor, and 7th chords, and some common chord progressions. Also scales and harmony scales... using them to create solos, playing scales over chord changes. Those are "must know" things for the bandstand. For the home player it's more about playing instrumentals. _________________ My Site / My YouTube Channel
25 Songs C6 Lap Steel / 25 MORE Songs C6 Lap Steel / 16 Songs, C6, A6, B11 / 60 Popular Melodies E9 Pedal Steel |
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Ron Forrest
From: Logan Ohio, USA
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 1:59 pm
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Everyone thanks for the great advice!! I'll give you some background on myself and where I'm at with learning Pedal Steel Guitar.
I've been a lead guitar player for 35+ plus years and it has been my primary instrument when playing in bands. Mostly rock bands were the pedal steel really didn't have a calling with the type of music I was playing. Mostly 80/90's Rock, Marshall Amps, and Les Pauls!!
I bought my first steel over 20 years ago after listening to Greg Jones play with a local band and was instantly hooked. I picked up an old ZB Custom and its been a love/hate relationship ever since. I absolutely love the instrument and listening to people play. I would go to listen to Mike Sigler every chance i got or catch his shows at local venues. I'm very fortunate to live within an hour of these two incredible players. They have taught me a lot over the years and i am very grateful for that.
Over the years i would get discouraged with my ability to play and put the steel away and focus on guitar, get it back out, put it away and so on. I aways had my guitar playing to fall back on and I did.
As i get older and am starting to slow down on the playing schedule and bands I've decided to put my guitar on the back burner and really focus on learning the steel. I find i enjoy it more know than i ever have. Even though i have been "playing" off and and on for 20 years i still consider myself a newbie on the steel and have lots to learn.
So my question of whats the top 10 songs to learn would be for me songs that teach technique, education of the instrument and build strong fundamentals that i can build off of. My end goal is to be able to play steel full time in a band and not play guitar for awhile.(i love playing guitar and will truly never give it up!!!). I think that i learn pretty fast but the steel is different as it requires so many different techniques and processes. The work is hard but the results are amazing.
One of the problems I have is in my area it seems like there aren't any classic country bands or people that want to play the traditional stuff anymore. I'm not a huge fan of the main stream pop influenced country music or whats on the radio today. There are some great steel parts in them but the overall genre doesn't appeal to me much. I'm a true fan of Merle Haggard, George Jones, Ray price, Etc. I do enjoy some of the Americana based music as it in my opinion is closer to a traditional sound. I do also like a lot of the 80/90's country stuff too.
So i hope I didn't babble on to much and bore you to death but this forum has been a great resource and all the advice is greatly appreciated. |
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J D Sauser
From: Wellington, Florida
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 7:24 pm
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Ron Forrest wrote: |
Everyone thanks for the great advice!! I'll give you some background on myself and where I'm at with learning Pedal Steel Guitar.
I've been a lead guitar player for 35+ plus years and it has been my primary instrument when playing in bands. Mostly rock bands were the pedal steel really didn't have a calling with the type of music I was playing. Mostly 80/90's Rock, Marshall Amps, and Les Pauls!!
I bought my first steel over 20 years ago after listening to Greg Jones play with a local band and was instantly hooked. I picked up an old ZB Custom and its been a love/hate relationship ever since. I absolutely love the instrument and listening to people play. I would go to listen to Mike Sigler every chance i got or catch his shows at local venues. I'm very fortunate to live within an hour of these two incredible players. They have taught me a lot over the years and i am very grateful for that.
Over the years i would get discouraged with my ability to play and put the steel away and focus on guitar, get it back out, put it away and so on. I aways had my guitar playing to fall back on and I did.
As i get older and am starting to slow down on the playing schedule and bands I've decided to put my guitar on the back burner and really focus on learning the steel. I find i enjoy it more know than i ever have. Even though i have been "playing" off and and on for 20 years i still consider myself a newbie on the steel and have lots to learn.
So my question of whats the top 10 songs to learn would be for me songs that teach technique, education of the instrument and build strong fundamentals that i can build off of. My end goal is to be able to play steel full time in a band and not play guitar for awhile.(i love playing guitar and will truly never give it up!!!). I think that i learn pretty fast but the steel is different as it requires so many different techniques and processes. The work is hard but the results are amazing.
One of the problems I have is in my area it seems like there aren't any classic country bands or people that want to play the traditional stuff anymore. I'm not a huge fan of the main stream pop influenced country music or whats on the radio today. There are some great steel parts in them but the overall genre doesn't appeal to me much. I'm a true fan of Merle Haggard, George Jones, Ray price, Etc. I do enjoy some of the Americana based music as it in my opinion is closer to a traditional sound. I do also like a lot of the 80/90's country stuff too.
So i hope I didn't babble on to much and bore you to death but this forum has been a great resource and all the advice is greatly appreciated. |
Please DON't be one more to try to play A Way To Survive like Buddy Emmons.
Since you are a seasoned lead player, I would suggest you learn what you played on guitar first and apply all you've learned to the steel guitar.
I don't think there is any one MUST play song. I find that tunes like Steel Guitar Rag, Sleepwalk are iconic, as iconic as Bill Haley's Rock Around The Clock, which Elvis recorded but it never saw the light of day, because Haley set the an untouchable record. It's like, should female singers learn "I Will Always Love You", Whitney did it after Dolly, but ever since, it's in my opinion untouchable UNLESS you come up with a versiona that is so drastically different like Whitney did that it become YOUR tune.
Jerry Lee Lewis was one of the few artist who could make a living of takin CURRENT hot tunes and make them "his"... even taking a shot at Ray's "What Did I Say".
In other words, since you ARE a musician, my suggestion would be, that you do yourself and us all and future steel guitar players the favor our heroes left us as a legacy and take a shot at something ELSE. Just surprise us.
There is a LOT you can learn from listening, and also working out lines and picking ideas, that's the legacy we are left with.
I tried for years to play my heroes' tunes, LIKE them, Emmons, Byrd, Speedy...
I've seen only very few who succeeded to do a credible "clone" of someone else and they all were iconic players of their own: Tom Brumley doing Jerry Byrd, Garry Hogue doing Emmons and Bob White (the same night!) come to mind.
I understand that learning a song, does not imply copying style, but it's hard to resist.
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A Little Mental Health Warning:
Tablature KILLS SKILLS.
The uses of Tablature is addictive and has been linked to reduced musical fertility.
Those who produce Tablature did never use it.
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Daniel McKee
From: Corinth Mississippi
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Posted 24 Jul 2021 7:31 pm
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Ive talked to a lot of players that mention getting a lot of requests for "Last Date" even though it was mainly known as a piano classic. Depends on the environment you play in though. |
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