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Topic: Fessy, Zum, Sho-Bud LDG |
Mitch Ellis
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Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 22 Jun 2006 6:42 pm |
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Hello to everyone, I'm brand new to the forum and this is my first post. I've been playing steel almost 8 years. I have a mid 90's Fessenden SD-10, 04 Zum D-10, and a Sho-Bud LDG. Under the letters "LDG" are two small letters "SP". I'm not sure about the year model, the man I bought it from said it was a mid 90's. I e-mailed Bobbe Seymour and Ricky Davis pictures and they said it was a mid 80's. I met Lloyd Green and he was kind enough to write an inscription on it that says "An original, pristine condition LDG. Lloyd Green." He also seemed to think it was a mid 80's. He was very impressed with it and said he had never seen one the color of this one. I'm not sure what the two small letters "SP" mean either. I've heard it means "Special Paint" but Mr. Seymour told me it meant "Standard Production" and he seems to know quiet a bit about Sho-Buds. I myself know very little about the Sho-Bud history. I am looking forward to participating on the forum and I extend an imaginary hand shake to all of you.
-Mitch Ellis |
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Brett Day
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Pickens, SC
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Posted 22 Jun 2006 7:34 pm
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| Welcome to the Forum, Mitch. You'll learn a lot here. Brett, Emmons S-10, Morrell lapsteel, GFI Ultra D-10 |
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Billy Carr
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Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 22 Jun 2006 8:24 pm
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| Welcome to the SGF, my friend. Pretty much anything you want or want to know is here. You now have access to nearly 6000 players worldwide. Good people talking steel around the clock. Email or call me anytime Mitch. You already know that anything I've got is yours. See ya! |
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 23 Jun 2006 10:34 pm
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Billy,
Thank you, my good friend. I feel the same way.
Your friend, Mitch |
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Golf2steel
From:
Romulus, Michigan.
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Posted 24 Jun 2006 9:24 am
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I found this hope it helps,
Harley
Ricky Davis
Moderator
From: Austin, Texas
posted 11 November 2005 08:30 AM profile send email edit
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This just in from Lloyd Green; which will clarify what I spoke of> "The Real LDG".
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After I came up with the padded model Sho-Bud, which initially was to be only for my personal studio use, and requests started coming in to Sho-Bud for a guitar built like mine, the picture suddenly changed.
Early on I had suggested this might be a commercially viable instrument for Sho-Bud to fill the gap between a pure single neck and a double neck. Shot's and David's first response was that this was a looney idea, that is, until they started getting all those folks wanting one. Suddenly it was a brilliant idea! I was back in the fold.
In my contract signed with Sho-Bud in 1973 outlining royalty amount per guitar sold, design, color, etc. it is clearly stated that all LDGs (David Jackson's and my appellation) will (would) be of a dark green color. For those who wanted the LDG model, but in a different color, an additional two letters would be added under the "LDG"; SP. SP stands for special paint, nothing more. I would still receive royalties but the color could be any choice.
There were, indeed, 25 to 30 LDGs built at a time and there may have been a few mixed colors of special orders among them, but all LDGs not green would have been labeled SP.
Now, there are a number of counterfeit LDGs of various colors out there that were built after Fred Gretsch acquired Sho-Bud from the Baldwin corporation. Counterfeit being any that weren't built by the Gretsch Corp. And lawsuits were threatened by Fred although to my knowledge none were ever filed.
If an LDG is of a color other than dark green (not counting the ones which have grotesquely faded from repeated sunlight exposure or guitars that have been repainted a different color and had the LDG re-added) and doesn't have SP under the logo.....they are counterfeits. By the way, any LDG decal that can be flaked or peeled off is also a fake since all legitimate decals were under the finish.
Sometime in the mid 1980s I saw a beautiful Walnut LDG with a medal neck insert sitting on the floor at Bobbe Seymore's store. I played it for a little while and commented to Bobbe how I loved the color and thought the tone might be ok. Without another word he picked up the phone, called Fred Gretsch who now owned Sho-Bud, and told him of our conversation. Fred told him to give me the steel and send him the invoice for payment. I never asked for the steel but I sure as hell took it when offered since I had only had 4 Sho-Buds in my entire career.
I did use it one year in St. Louis and made the statement attributed to me, and I took it to many sessions trying to get used to the sound. But by then Sho-Bud was a different creature, sounding little like the ones I was used to playing. I soon returned to my LDG #1 which I would never part with, and played that for most of the remainder of my "first" session career that ended in 1988.
In 1988 I traded that beautiful, but tone flawed Walnut color steel to Jimmy Crawford, in return for which he built the JCH I played for the ensuing 15 years. I didn't start playing the #1 LDG again until about 3 years ago when I returned to sessions.
I hope this clarifies some of the murkiness surrounding this topic.
Lloyd Green
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Winston Street
From:
Laurel, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 24 Jun 2006 2:17 pm
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Hey Mitch, good to see you on the forum. Guys to introduce you to Mitch Ellis: I've only known Mitch for a couple of years but he is a great, honest, hard studying student of the steel guitar. Plays great and is an all around great young gentleman. Every one in this neck of the woods thinks the world of him. Again, Mitch, welcome to the place where you can learn more about steel guitar than anyplace on the face of the planet. These guys are great to have as friends, and are always ready to help you with advice.
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2006 2:53 pm
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Harley,
That is a HUGE help! Thank you!
Mr.Winston,
Thank you for that kind introduction,my friend. I hope we can get together and pick before too long.
Mitch |
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Billy Carr
From:
Seminary, Mississippi, USA (deceased)
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Posted 1 Jul 2006 12:46 pm
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| Hey Mitch, Aug.5th in Gulfport will be a fine steel show. We'd love to have you come down and join us. Plenty of friendly folks and fine players from everywhere. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 1 Jul 2006 12:54 pm
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Here is a previous discussion about the "SP" guitars.
Lee, from South Texas |
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 2 Jul 2006 2:15 pm
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Billy,
Because of my job, I won't be able to make the show, but thank's for inviting me.
Lee,
Thank you for that information.You and Mike have been a big help.
Mitch |
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