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Topic: Have you ever experiment this problem? |
Frederic Mabrut
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Posted 19 Jun 2006 11:59 am |
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I would like to call to anyone who could help me to solve my problem and particulary the Franklin D10 owners.
The problem comes from the 9th string on theC6 neck i.e F.
I replaced my strings this weekend and I changed the set which I had put to play in E6 (following an Al Marcus post) by a set of strings Jagwire C6 Doug Jernigan. It seems impossible tune correctly this 9th string! I explain:
Once this 9th string tuned in F, I push pedal 5 to obtain F #. Once the pedal has returned the string remains in F #! Well, it can be a problem with pedal 8, there therefore I tune again the open string in F and... impossible to go down just as low as to obtain E once this pedal 8 committed!
After having loosened the nylon tuners in order to have a little slackness in each rods, I try again and at the very best I obtain an untuned thing which makes that the guitar is in F # once pedal 5 is lowered but it is necessary that I engage the 8eme pedal to lower this string in something between the E and F.
I've looked the underside of the guitar and I noticed no movement of the return spring.
I had had a similar problem on the 3rd cord of C6 when I had tried the E6 tuning. But it was obviously a question of string gauge, this problem having disappeared once back to C6.
On the present case the string gauge is the same that the previous old C6 set ( a Tommy White one) i.e 0.54, the only difference on the set of strings being one 0.70 instead of one 0.68 in 10th string.
If somebody have already experienced this problem and solved it, I will be quite happy of knowing how, because I'm like the hen which found a knife...!
Fred
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Jack Stoner
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Kansas City, MO
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Posted 19 Jun 2006 12:42 pm
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| I have a Franklin D-10 (S/N 065) and if it worked OK before you changed strings and now it doesn't it would appear to be the string. Either a wrong or mislabled string, etc. If you have another .054W try that. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2006 12:53 pm
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.054 is the correct diameter.
Nickel wound strings are slightly different from stainless steel wound strings. Maybe you changed that? But I don't think that is your problem, because you would notice problems on other strings.
Try this: Loosen the nylon tuners first
Then push directly on the raise bar, and lower bar. Use a screwdriver or something. In other words, push at the place where the nylon tuners push. Does the string go to E and F#? Does it return correctly? |
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Frederic Mabrut
From:
Olloix, France
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Posted 19 Jun 2006 1:55 pm
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No, the string doesn't return correctly in any case.
Btw, as I lower pedal 5 to get F# the string return only to a F# minus 30-40 cents and when I lower pedal 8 I get little or no action depending if I have lowered pedal 5 before that. |
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Earnest Bovine
From:
Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 19 Jun 2006 2:47 pm
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| What happens when you loosen the lower-return spring? That is the screw that you can see on the right end of the guitar, on the outside, under the nylon tuning nuts. Maybe that is too tight on string 9. |
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Frederic Mabrut
From:
Olloix, France
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Posted 19 Jun 2006 10:28 pm
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| In fact, loosening the spring gives no more effect but tightening it seems to work with pedal 5. As for pedal 8, I cannot say yet 'cause it's time to go to work. I'll check this evening. |
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Frederic Mabrut
From:
Olloix, France
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Posted 22 Jun 2006 11:23 pm
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Well,
I've replaced the 0.54 string by another one. Now I can tune the 5th pedal with accuracy, I've just tightened the return spring a bit.
But no way for me to tune properly the 8th pedal. Even if I tighten the nylon to the limit I cannot go as low as wanted. Maybe the pullrod is in a wrong position in the bellcrank. Could A helpful Franklin owner tells me in which bellcrank position the F to E rod is located?
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 23 Jun 2006 12:57 am
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Bienvenue a ce Great Forum Fred 
c'est la bonne place
je ne suis pas un Franklin owner mais i help you maybe
the position of the rod ON the bellcrank determines the length of it's travel
that's why bellcranks have them notches
if the rod needs more travel/length it should be placed towards the extremity or end of the bellcranks
(this is what i would do on strings 9 & 10 if you can't get them lowered enough w: P8)
if the rod needs less travel/length place the rod towards the base of the bellcrank
this site will help you :
http://www.steelguitarinfo.com/infoindex.html
its a little ditty, but remember this :
when strings break, the tail end often falls in the changer
Make sure it's out & not, still in there[This message was edited by CrowBear Schmitt on 23 June 2006 at 05:10 AM.] |
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Bill Ferguson
From:
Milton, FL USA
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Posted 23 Jun 2006 3:52 am
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If you found that by replacing the 054 string that all it tuned properly, you might need to change your 068 also.
Sometimes a change in the brand and/or type of string will cause you to have to readjust everything.
I find that all the strings available for steel guitar seem to be about the same quality, no matter what brand.
However, the tolerences for each string guage will vary, even with the same manufacturer.
I change my strings about every 3 weeks and I always have to adjust all my pedals and I only use one brand of strings, George L's.
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Frederic Mabrut
From:
Olloix, France
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Posted 23 Jun 2006 7:11 am
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Hi James,
I looked carefully inside the changer and there is no bit of string inside...it would have been too simple.
Maybe I need to better explain myself :
Currently, the F to E rod is placed at the extreme bottom ON the bellcrank. Since I cannot go as low as required, I would have liked to know what is the standard position for this rod on a Franklin PSG and with a 0.54 string. Knowing this I'll begin to search elsewhere.
Thanx,
Fred
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 24 Jun 2006 8:59 pm
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If the pull~rod is in the wrong slot, how did it get there? They can't change by themselves! I don't own a Franklin, at the present time, but; if I remember correctly from 24-yrs of owning (3) different Franklins, I think the pull~rod for str. #9 on P-8 belongs in the 1st. slot away from the body, but; it's possible it belongs in the 2nd. It will work either way! The biggest noticeable difference would only be the amount of pressure needed on the pedal. Either slot will give you enough travel to make the change and the recommended gauges for sure are #9 .054w.and #10 .070w!
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Bobby Boggs
From:
Upstate SC.
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Posted 24 Jun 2006 9:41 pm
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Fred, If you back the 9th string raise rod off several turns? Will the 9th then lower to pitch?
Also if the return spring is too tight.It will keep the string from lowering as far as it should.
Were the strings you removed from the guitar stainless? The Tommy White strings are nickel.It takes less changer movement for a stainless wound strings than it does a Nickel wound string.
Just some things to consider.
Edit Sorry everything I mentioned has already been covered. This part bugs me.
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| Once this 9th string tuned in F, I push pedal 5 to obtain F #. Once the pedal has returned the string remains in F #! |
If the above mentioned things have been tried and failed? Remove the lower return spring. Then push forward on the finger and make sure the raise and lower members will seperate and are not binding at the rivet.Even if they're not. It's a good idea to oil the rivet............bb<[This message was edited by Bobby Boggs on 24 June 2006 at 11:05 PM.] |
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Frederic Mabrut
From:
Olloix, France
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Posted 27 Jun 2006 2:00 pm
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Here it is!
I thank you all guys for your pertinent advices, but I would particularly like to thank Theresa Galbraith and her dad, Paul Franklin Sr, two very kind persons, for having taken time to answer me and despite my clumsy explanations, found out what the problem was. (Just a lack of lubrification between the 2 fingers of this part of the changer)
Often,what we think are big problems have most of the time obvious solutions.
I love this forum!
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