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Brian Henry
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 11:05 am |
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I have a question. When I press down A and B pedals and lower my b’s with my vertical lever I get a minor sound. Would that be a 2 minor or a 6 minor. Many thanks
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Ricky Davis
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 11:16 am
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It's a 4 minor if you are playing A and B pedals down for a 4 chord. The 5th string is the 3rd tone; so you flat the 3rd; it becomes a Minor. Get it??
Ok I have a test for you.
So lets say you are indeed playing A and B pedals down, lets say on the 10th fret G chord and you flat the 5th string half tone.....what chord is it now??(Only brian can answer please)
Ricky
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Brian Henry
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 11:23 am
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Thank you Ricky. I’m not the brightest spark in the fire but I think it would be a C minor!
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Pat Chong
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 11:33 am
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Hi Brian,
The answer is "Neither", because you are "minor"-izing the chord you are playing, it does not change into another chord.
For example, pressing THE AB pedals at the nut, you get the A chord. Flattening the B gives you Am, which is neither 2 or 6 in the key of E or A.
However, if you press the AB pedals and press also your C pedal, the chord changes from A to F#m, which would be BOTH, 2 or 6, depending on what your home pedals are: No pedals- it would be "2", because at the nut is E. With AB home at the nut, it would be "6" because your home chord is now A. Hope this helps...
...Pat
Adding to what Ricky mentioned, it would either be a 1m or 4m, pending on home pedals. |
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Ricky Davis
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 12:36 pm
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(no Brian not C minor) now read all that I just flooded Pat's computer with(sorry Pat; I've been a Teacher since 1979 and somehow think I need to teach the world but NO RICKY; Shut up sometimes...ha.). Now Brain read all that and then answer again at bottom.
No Pat that does NOT help(but you are very enlightening and helpful actually). You are teaching things that YOU know; but as a Teacher you have to pretend like the student knows NOTHING...so you can't just say things that makes sense to you and think it makes sense to another(that's what all my ex-wives did and they were horribly mean for doing that); I do the same thing bro.
He is talking ONLY about when he has A and B pedals down..and he hits a knee lever that lowers the 5th string a half tone...(that is the A pedal);then what Chord is that. he was not asking about the theory of Minor chords or any of that. He was wanting to understand ONLY the answer to his Question. So if you have A and B down; that makes a A chord...yes; and the A pedal is now the 3rd tone in the A Chord(C#) and if you flatten it a half tone to C...the C note becomes the flat3 note in a A Chord...so Aminor ; cause flat3 is a minor note.
I was just asking him a further learning test question if you are at the 10th fret with A and B down and you hit that knee lever that flattens the A pedal note(the 3rd tone) what chord do you have now??
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Andy Henriksen
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 12:57 pm
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| Pat Chong wrote: |
Hi Brian,
The answer is "Neither", because you are "minor"-izing the chord you are playing, it does not change into another chord.
For example, pressing THE AB pedals at the nut, you get the A chord. Flattening the B gives you Am. |
| Ricky Davis wrote: |
| No Pat that does NOT help. |
In Pat's defense, the part I quoted above is the straight, simple answer to the question asked, and I think does help. The rest got in the weeds a bit, but that doesn't dismiss the helpful parts.
In your first reply, you assumed the pedals-down chord was the IV. There's nothing in the OP that suggests that is the context of the question, so like Pat, you were coloring your answering with your own assumptions.
There is no actual answer to the question, unless we know the function of the A+B chord (or some other reference chord).
If A+B is the 1major, than A+B+[lever] is 1minor. If A+B is 2maj, then A+B+[lever] is 2min, and so on... |
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Ricky Davis
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 1:32 pm
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OMG Andy you are so right.. I did misguide answering "well if the pedals down is the 4 chord"...I just did what I got on Pat for doing...dangit...sorry and sorry Pat. Really Andy that is all very helpful; but it's also easy for the teacher to get lost too...ha.....
and what you said here is exactly what I was trying to help Brian with(teachers online never get to know how much their students know; we have to guess too...)
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There is no actual answer to the question, unless we know the function of the A+B chord (or some other reference chord).
If A+B is the 1major, than A+B+[lever] is 1minor. If A+B is 2maj, then A+B+[lever] is 2min, and so on... |
So G chord; flat the 3rd tone; "G-minor" is answer.
Ricky
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Pat Chong
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 1:46 pm
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| Thanks for the defence, Andy. And Ricky, that's ok, no hard feelings. The second part of my answer was going on Brian's mention of 2m and 6m, showing he knew about the numbering system. I was just showing how it WOULD tie in under other circumstaces. |
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Brian Henry
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 1:54 pm
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Thank you Ricky and Pat for hanging in there and helping me. I am so fortunate to have you interested enough to help. I understand what you are saying and will now in+corporate it into some of my playing. Up to this point I’ve only used abc pedals and eb and f levers. Once again thank you so much.
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Ricky Davis
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 4:38 pm
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OK Awesome Brain and that Pat and Andy are awesome...it is great having guys/teachers around with answers or ways of thinking it...we older fellas(well I'm close to 60 but not quite); didn't have that luxury in many ways.
Ricky
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Larry Hobson
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Posted 4 Jan 2021 4:59 pm A&B lowering
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| Very interesting responses, illustrates the necessity of a very good understanding of the number system as applied to numbering of the chord and the numbering of individual notes in a given chord, without injecting further confusion. There is no way to relay how important this in the advancement on one's musical ability and knowledge along with one's ability to communicate with other musicians. NOTE; This is addressed to striving students only,and not to diminish the instructions already expressed in this thread,which were very informative . |
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