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Ian Rae
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Posted 1 Jan 2021 5:18 am |
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I can't find the thread that prompted me to consider this, so here's a new one. This is a bare-bones B6/E9 setup which could easily be installed on an S10 4x5, of which there seem to be plenty. It only needs 3 up 2 down.
It's boiled down from my 12-string tuning. I haven't tested it and I don't intend to, but I figure it ought to work. Tell me if I'm wrong! Sacrifices include the C pedal, the traditional E9 strings 1&2 (which admittedly might mean more to some than they do to me) and the 5th string G# raise and lower for altered 7th chords in B6 (which personally I would miss). The B6 P6 is on RKR and the vertical gives the one important P8 change.
It is somewhat B6-biased, but if you want something that covers the basics on both necks, this might work for you. If you're dyed-in-the-wool Emmons, you could mirror the pedals.
Happy New Year! You have to hope...
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Last edited by Ian Rae on 19 Jul 2024 9:07 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Tom Campbell
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2021 8:34 am
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WOW...looks like my setup...been playing it for years.
I eliminated the 10th string E and squeezed an F# between 4th string E and 3rd string G#.
Also did away with the C#A# pedal and replaced it with a B to C pedal on strings 4,8. |
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Andrew Frost
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Toronto, Ontario
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Posted 2 Jan 2021 12:15 am
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| Tom Campbell wrote: |
WOW...looks like my setup...been playing it for years.
I eliminated the 10th string E and squeezed an F# between 4th string E and 3rd string G#.
Also did away with the C#A# pedal and replaced it with a B to C pedal on strings 4,8. |
Tom, I've been spending time with a very similar set up and have considered putting that B to C change on a lever. That semitone raise on Ian's 4&8 would work perfectly for the G# major/dominant sounds but it seems too indulgent to me when I can just work on my half pedal chops a bit more to get the same result! Perhaps there are advantages of having it on a fixed pedal that I'm overlooking. Raising just the lower B a semitone and leaving the higher B on string 4 untouched works nicely too for the dom7#9 sound. Ian, perhaps that'd work on your vertical, and you could drop low E a semitone for a low 5th on that chord. Just a thought. Cool looking copedant. I particularly like the high G# lowering to F#! I've not been able to do thatin the real world - the travel is so long. But I've heard it csn be done!! 😀 Happy New Year
Last edited by Andrew Frost on 18 Jul 2024 5:37 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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John Hyland
From:
South Australia
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 2:25 pm
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| I wonder how easy the E>D#/D works in practice compared to the traditional E>D# (ie getting the stop precise) |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 12 Jul 2024 3:35 pm
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It requires concentration and I know that a lot of players don't like half-stops.
To me it's a price worth paying to have 5 and 7 next to each other.
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 13 Jul 2024 12:06 pm Tuning
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Aloha Ian. This is my S10 Ext E9 set up. Been using this since the early 90’s. 
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 13 Jul 2024 3:53 pm
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Interesting, Larry. Lowering E to C# on the F lever is something I approve of.
I think once you commit to that ½-stop there's no going back.
When I was planning my uni setup I started with the premise that string 8 has four pitches, F (properly E#),E, D# and D. Should the resting pitch be E or D#?
I went for E, but D# might have worked just as well.
I'm not a "one big tuning" guy but I do exploit the overlap between the two. Your P6 (my P7) is useful in E9 as much as B6
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 13 Jul 2024 4:08 pm Tuning
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On 8 tuned to E, My RKL lowers to Eb(1/2 stop) then all the way for D..Then switch to 9,RKR for C# 1/2 stop feel to C then open 9 to B, 1/2 A pedal to Bb. Good bass run.. pedal 7 for regular guitar boogie lick..with 9 & 10..
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HowardR
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N.Y.C.-Fire Island-Asheville
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John Hyland
From:
South Australia
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Posted 18 Jul 2024 2:26 pm
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| Ian It is early morning so only half awake but have you forgone A of the high F#m. |
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 18 Jul 2024 3:34 pm
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It's late night here but yes. I can live without the traditional C pedal setup. I must stress that this guitar only exists on paper. I have a GFI 3x4 in the garage but I haven't figured how to fit a 4th pedal.
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 18 Jul 2024 4:13 pm
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I have a really functional 10 string uni copedent on my S10 PP, 4p/4k. It retains all the important E9 stuff, a lot of very useful B6 stuff, and lots in between. I explained it once in another thread here: https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=3047730#3047730
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John Hyland
From:
South Australia
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Posted 18 Jul 2024 5:55 pm
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| The two Ian’s; very interesting. As my PSG is my own design and build I can add up to 8 pedals. I do like the B to Bb (split) which I currently have on RKL so I might have to invent a vertical which I had been avoiding. |
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