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Topic: What Is Cabinet Drop? |
Mark Edwards
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Weatherford,Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 6:51 am |
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| Okay guys, one of those I'm not sure questions, I've seen on this forum, folks talking about cabinet drop. Can some on please explain? Thank you from a rookie. |
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Steve Hitsman
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Waterloo, IL
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 7:06 am
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| Plug your guitar into your tuner, pick your fourth string, push pedals A and B, and watch what happens to the pitch of your E string. |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 7:08 am
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| That's what happens when UPS ships your guitar! |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 9:53 am
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It's the detuning effect that happens systemically when the overall tension is changed by pedals and knee levers.
The term "cabinet drop" is misleading, but it came about because for many years people believed that it was caused by flexibility in the guitar cabinet. Recent research has confirmed that the detuning is caused by several aspects of design and construction, including the changer axle and (per Bobbe Seymour) the screws holding the endplates!
This detuning is very slight on most modern guitars. I'd guess that 95% of intonation problems are caused by the nut behind the steel. 
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John Sluszny
From:
Brussels, Belgium
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 10:41 am
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| Right Bobby |
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Steve Alcott
From:
New York, New York, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 12:09 pm
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Right you are b0b; I find that whatever "cabinet drop" my guitar may have is so minimal I either don't notice it or compensate for it automatically. I also suggest listening for it without the tuner-if you don't notice enough detuning to bother you,play and enjoy.
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MSA Millennium D10, Acoustic Image Clarus SL-R, Marrs 1x15
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Bobbe Seymour
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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 12:49 pm
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Bobby Lee, yep, you have impressed me!
Correct, in my humble opinion. |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 1:33 pm
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| I always thought it was caused by airline baggage staff !!! |
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Tracy Sheehan
From:
Fort Worth, Texas, USA
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 5:48 pm
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| b0b.I believe it can be a loose screw also because any one has to have a loose screw to take up this rubic cube instrument.But aren't they fun? [This message was edited by Tracy Sheehan on 08 June 2006 at 06:50 PM.] |
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John Bechtel
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, R.I.P.
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Posted 8 Jun 2006 7:03 pm
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Did/Do PSG's with individual braces between every string (over the bridge) have this problem? If not, that certainly seems like a positive solution for that particular area! If I can't notice any problems, why should I l©©k for one?
[The Edit was only for punctuation!]
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a.k.a. {Keoni Nui}
Current Equipment
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 9 Jun 2006 4:36 am
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Cabinet drop: an effect that wasn't even noticed until very highly accurate scientific instruments were invented to detect it. Thank goodness the lawyers don't know about it yet... 
it's not carcinogenic.
(I gotta quit readin't the Wall Street Journal...)[This message was edited by Ray Minich on 09 June 2006 at 06:03 AM.] |
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Ken Metcalf
From:
San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2006 6:08 am
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If you want to (hear) some cabnet drop just try picking your 6th G# string and hit the A pedal along with the E-F lever
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Ken Metcalf/ San Antonio
Carson Wells D-10
Super Twin
Peterson
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 9 Jun 2006 6:40 am
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Ray, I heard cabinet drop on my first Sho-Bud, an S-10 6139 model, long before I had an electronic tuner. It just about drove me crazy trying to figure out. That and the F# string tuning.
Ken, when the G# string detunes enough to audible, it's a serious problem. Some people simply can't get their A+F combination in tune because of it.
All: My post above may have left the impression that cabinet flex is not the problem. The cabinet is responsible for some of the "cabinet drop" effect, but it is not the only thing that causes it. It's the sum of the detuning from several sources.
People often tune their E strings to match the A with pedals down. When we release the pedals, the E strings go sharp. That's why you see tuning charts that have E at "442" and A at "440".
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Williams D-12 E9, C6add9, Sierra Olympic S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop S-8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster D-8 (E13, C6 or A6) My Blog [This message was edited by Bobby Lee on 09 June 2006 at 07:42 AM.] |
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