Just a suggestion for tall PSG players

Stuart Legg · Posted 31 Oct 2020 1:38 am

No expensive lift kit just a few minuets & less than a Dollar.
I call it the Legg Kit.
Bo Legg is 6’2” When seated on a standard height steel guitar seat, behind a D10 PDG - all he does is raise the front of the PSG, (pedal board and all)
up aprox 2” by just loosening and pulling out the tubing of the front legs, (no lift kit or any of that BS). Slip a portion of pvc pipe that fits over the extended leg tubing to the correct size from the floor to the pedal board to hold it in place.

Stuart Legg · Posted 31 Oct 2020 1:39 am

I know this is exactly opposite you’ve heard here on the Forum saying (tilt the PSG forward to give more leg room).
By tilting the PSG forward you actually lower the back legs forcing a tall person to maybe having to purchase new taller legs.
By raising the front of the PSG you actually raise the height of the back legs. Moves the back legs more perpendicular to the floor which is the point of it’s maximum height.

Stuart Legg · Posted 31 Oct 2020 1:40 am

Since the steel is tilted back it means he has to extend his lower leg out further to reach the pedals thereby lowering the height from the top of his leg to almost horizontal to the floor and therefore equal regardless of how tall a person is and no need to raise the steel seat!

Stuart Legg · Posted 31 Oct 2020 1:56 am

You don’t have to adjust the pedals. Although the pedal board has been raised the tilt has positioned the end of the pedal aprox the same height from the floor as it was before it was raised!
Over all the end results, for less than one dollar and very little effort his legs fit under the PSG. his wrist is straight, his arm and hand are relaxed and he just naturally sits up straighter and looks comfortable and relaxed not to mention seeing the fret board better.

Ian Rae · From: Redditch, England

That's very interesting. I'm only average height so I don't care, but the geometry as explained makes sense.
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Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

But...that raises the pedals, and also changes the angle of actuation. And in many cases, there would not be enough adjustment of the rod ends available to compensate for those changes. It also changes the swing-angle of the knee levers.

No thank you. Oh Well

Stuart Legg · Posted 3 Nov 2020 1:01 am

It's all relative to a person's mean and how anal that person is about a tolerance of 5% or so!
what I'm discussing here is not just an idea or theory it is all a tested proven reasonable facsimile.
For folks who like their pedals touching the floor when they stomp on them or some who have worn a grove in one place on their thigh where the lever just has to go or for a few of those of whom just don't won't to do this to their $7,000 Emmons, this is probably not going to be for them!
But for those of us that are defined by what we are not this might just sound like a plan.

Bo Legg · Posted 3 Nov 2020 1:17 am

Hi Donny, You don't have to extend the rods because you don't lower the pedal board, there is no need since the change in angle has positioned the end of the pedal aprox the same height from the floor as it was before.
Because the body is now leaned back closer to you the pedals are now further away so you have to extend the lower leg forward. The toe of your shoe is now higher and actually leaves the angle of the foot to the pedal aprox the same as it was before.
As for the knee levers not being perpendicular to the floor, the change would have to be a whole lot more pronounced to be even noticeable. For instance I've never heard any one complain about the knee lever angle when steels are tilted forward extremely.

Stuart Legg · Posted 3 Nov 2020 1:30 am

And while we are on the subject of knee lever tilt, another good reason to tilt the steel back instead of tilted forward is
Don't you guys with the forward tilt get tired of the knee levers poking you in the Balllls Laughing

I know this sounds odd but it's when you tilt the steel forward not backwards that you will need the longer rods.

Not to mention when you tilt the steel forward you have to extend your arm out and you have to use muscles to hold the arm up. When you tilt the steel back your shoulder to elbow is perpendicular to the floor requiring no muscle power. Makes a difference over a 4.5hr gig.

Dave Hopping · From: Aurora, Colorado

I'm a little guy, so it's academic to me, but I LIKE the idea of feng shui ergonomics! Winking

ken collins · From: Oklahoma City, OK.

No you didn't raise the pedal bar but you did raise the front of the guitar which raises the pedals. Got to add extensions to rods as well as legs. Been doing it for years. If you raise bar, the pedals are at an unworkable angle, of course relative to how much is the raise. At 6ft 2inches I would think a min. of one inch leg extension and one inch extensions to do it right. Ken

Johnie King · From: Tennessee, USA

Ken I agree with you!!!

Stuart Legg · Posted 7 Nov 2020 3:11 pm

johnie and Ken, Bo looks comfortable seems to work well for him. What? What? Sounds good to me Very Happy

video here

Bo Legg · Posted 7 Nov 2020 3:51 pm

â€œhe canâ€™t figure out the key and he plays badly but gee ainâ€™t his steel set up real nice â€œ Laughing

What? What? Sounds good to me Laughing

ken collins · From: Oklahoma City, OK.

Whatever works for anybody tickles me to death, No problem nor advice from me. If one only needs a minimal raise and can get under the rear apron and likes it, great. Not trying to criticize the post, just posting an alternate method, especially for even taller players.

Bo Legg · Posted 7 Nov 2020 5:04 pm

when I sit down at someone else's PSG. I carry two heavy glass ash trays that are about an inch and a quarter tall and I place them under the front legs and I'm all set. When I get through I just remove the ash trays and the only harm done was to their ears. Shocked

Stuart Legg · Posted 8 Nov 2020 11:36 am **Re: Tall Players**

Jacek Jakubek · From: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada

I always enjoy seeing the different mods and fixes pedal steelers come up with for their guitars. This extension looks like a good, quick, temporary solution if you were sitting at someone else's steel at a jam, or if you were trying out a steel to buy that was too short.

But for my own pedal steel, I'd rather have something more permanent if I needed to raise it, like longer legs or metal leg extensions.

Thanks for sharing your invention.

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