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Johnie King
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Tennessee, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2020 5:50 am |
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 On a push pull you can move steel dowel pin from
1/4 - 3/8 - to 1/2 inch an make your Push pull easier too Pedal. Drill the correct hole closer too the pedal board.
This adds a little longer travel too the pedal.
Last edited by Johnie King on 12 Oct 2020 1:49 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Ron Pruter
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 8 Oct 2020 4:21 pm
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If only you could do that to the Legrande Pedals 
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Emmons SKH Le Grande, '73 Fender P/J bass, Tick tack bass, Regal high strung, USA Nashville 112. |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 9 Oct 2020 9:43 pm
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Why would yo want to do that?
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2020 6:49 am
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| Sho~Buds had two holes in the foot pedal to reposition the pedal rods. |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 10 Oct 2020 7:07 am
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| ....original Sierra too. |
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James Sission
From:
Sugar Land,Texas USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2020 7:09 am
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| BMI used to have 3. Not sure about the newer ones. |
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James Sission
From:
Sugar Land,Texas USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2020 7:15 am
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| Henry Matthews wrote: |
| Why would yo want to do that? |
It makes the pedal easier to push and also allows more room for your foot. I've never played a P/P so I don't know how stuff the pedal action is. From past posts I've read, it would seem some people find them somewhat stiff. That may well be a setup issue. |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 10 Oct 2020 9:07 pm
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A push pull doesn’t need to be altered. If they do, they are set up wrong.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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James Sission
From:
Sugar Land,Texas USA
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Posted 11 Oct 2020 9:33 am
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| I guess not everyone agrees with you. |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 11 Oct 2020 11:24 am
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Oh Henry ,theres alway a little room for improvement !!!
Just like choosing too ware boots in a pig pin instead of thongs.!!!
An jelly on a good biscuit.
Salt on fries. |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 11 Oct 2020 11:49 am
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Some one that’s had too give up there push pull for a all pull for easier pedal action.
Because of
Neuropathy in there feet they might benefit from easier pedal action on the push pull they love.
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Kelcey ONeil
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Sevierville, TN
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Posted 11 Oct 2020 1:24 pm
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Variety is the spice of life! Ultimately, you play the steel, it shouldn’t play you; it should suit your preference as best as possible, within reason. Single neck Push Pulls with a C6 changer are a bit stiffer by nature because of the shorter string fingers, a change of geometry somewhere would benefit some of them. Some folks prefer a very light and intentionally long action, for better articulation while “squeezing” the notes.
Indeed, a Push Pull that is well setup and has its changer properly cleaned and lubricated should leave little to be desired. I’ve currently a 64 wraparound in the shop that’s pedals are effortlessly light and not particularly long either. That being said, there are some mechanical reasons for this that are unique to that era of Emmons. So, two guitars that are “properly” setup may play quite differently due to different components used at different times in their history. |
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Kelcey ONeil
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Sevierville, TN
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Posted 11 Oct 2020 1:30 pm
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| On something of a side note, some changers were simply over shimmed from the factory, or the mounts not secured in parallel. This causes the fingers to be squeezed against one another, and increases friction and the required tension to pull a string. The gentleman who taught me this was an Emmons dealer and assembled many a Push Pulls from parts provided from the factory. More than a few he received, the changers were so tight the fingers could hardly be moved before the strings were installed. Removing a shim or two resolved this, he however wondered aloud how many made it out the door that way! |
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2020 2:28 pm
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A push pull doesn’t need to be altered. If they do, they are set up wrong.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Kevin Fix
From:
Michigan, USA
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Posted 23 Nov 2020 4:20 pm
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| Which would make the pedal easier to push? Closer to the pedal bar or closer to the pedal? Would like to make my "A" pedal a little easier to pedal. I have a Sho Bud Super Pro. |
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Andrew Goulet
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Posted 24 Nov 2020 6:08 pm
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I'm all for creative solutions for easy pedal/lever action. I play so much better when I don't have to "fight" for a change. I used to set my C pedal up to only pull the root note (I had the other note in the tuning) a la Mooney. That was a light and whip-fast pedal.
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2020 3:28 pm
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| Kevin closer too the pedal board would be easier but you may get more pedal travel than you prefer. |
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 30 Nov 2020 3:32 pm
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| Kevin closer too the pedal board would be easier but you may get more pedal travel than you prefer. |
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 30 Nov 2020 3:53 pm
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Someone posted this pic a while back in a for sale thread, a less invasive way to increase leverage, just make some longer pedal cranks
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Dick Wood
From:
Springtown Texas, USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2020 6:40 am
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Years ago I wanted to get a push pull. I tried two different ones and both were stiff compared to many other guitars I had played so I never purchased one for that reason. I didn't want to fight a guitar all night.
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Henry Matthews
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Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2020 8:24 am
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I think the people that are turned off by the pedal feel on a push pull have never played one set up properly. Many push pulls are being played around the country that have very stiff pedals and don’t guess the player doesn’t mind playing them that way but personally, I don’t like a stiff pedal feel. I have two push pulls and both are really close to the LeGrand feel on pedals. In fact, on my 72, the A pedal was little too easy and had to adjust a little more resistance in it just by us using the compression spring on pull rod to do it. I’m sure no expert on a push pull but I can set them up to play easy.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Henry Matthews
From:
Texarkana, Ark USA
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Posted 1 Dec 2020 12:36 pm
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I’ve got some of those that I removed from a guitar I was working on. They do work but again, I’ll stick by my guns, no need to alter a push pull. Also, the little set screw connection isn’t strong enough and will eventually slip. Cross rods would need to be drilled and tapped to really be effective.
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Henry Matthews
D-10 Magnum, 8 &5, dark rose color
D-10 1974 Emmons cut tail, fat back,rosewood, 8&5
Nashville 112 amp, Fishman Loudbox Performer amp, Hilton pedal, Goodrich pedal,BJS bar, Kyser picks, Live steel Strings. No effects, doodads or stomp boxes. |
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 1 Dec 2020 2:26 pm
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I've used Sho-Bud cranks on push pulls, no sacrilege if it does what you need it to, you just need to drill and tap a new set screw in the correct location for the flat on the Emmons "D" shafts. The outer hole in a Bud crank is ~1/8" longer pull than the Emmons (~1.125" C-C vs ~1")
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