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Topic: Really interesting & complete analysis of Girl from Ipanema |
Andy Volk
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Rick Barnhart
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Posted 17 Jul 2020 6:11 pm |
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I enjoyed that, Andy. Thanks for posting. Our band used to call that one “The Girl with Emphysema.”
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Lee Baucum
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Posted 17 Jul 2020 8:12 pm
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Wow! That was great.
I just thought I knew the chord progression to the song. |
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Russ Wever
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Posted 17 Jul 2020 9:12 pm
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Inserting the 'Night Life" (as we refer to them)
turnaround changes (tritones) between 'A' sections.
~> click
~Rw
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 1:32 am
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I had no idea how inauthentic the song is in F. "The second most recorded song in human history." [!]
(I thought I recognized some American musical imperialism.)
Very elucidating, Andy. Yes, it's "the ambiguity that makes bossa nova so special."
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Andy Volk
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 2:46 am
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Me either. The harmonies married to that relaxed, lilting beat is a lifelong thrill for me. Probably my all-time favorite music.
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Aaron Johnson
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Lemoore, CA
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 3:23 am
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| Very interesting! Thank you for posting it Andy! |
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Joachim Kettner
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Germany
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 8:39 am
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| Charlie McDonald wrote: |
| I had no idea how inauthentic the song is in F. |
Don't be taken in, Charlie. Jobim wrote it, performed it and published it in F.
A Brazilian video in Db doesn't make Db "authentic".
More likely to do with the singer or the harmonica preferring it. Stan Getz's famous recording is in Db, but that's a good saxophone key. Laurindo Almeida recorded it in Ab, which you would not automatically think is a good guitar key.
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Jerry Overstreet
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 10:13 am
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I'm totally confused about this song now. So...which version is the one we used to hear on the radio back in the 60's?
I didn't really play then, so I have no idea what the key would have been on it.
It was only in later years that I wanted to do this song and so I used the Jobim transcription in Fmaj7, or rather just key of F, I guess, which is still where I play it on C6 tuning. 😷 |
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Ian Rae
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 12:15 pm
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Jerry, F is a nice key for pedal steel and the composer wrote it that way, so you can't go wrong!
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scott murray
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 12:51 pm
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quite an analysis.
I can't find any proof or claim that it's the 2nd most recorded song in history, but it's gotta be up there.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 3:30 pm
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I think it's a gentle spoof to make you ask "So what's the most recorded?"
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Douglas Schuch
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 5:34 pm
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I found it quite interesting, but was a bit shocked when, as he thoroughly analyzes the history and theory behind one song, he wrongly attributes another song - "Duke Ellington's" take the A-Train - which, of course, was actually written by Billy Strayhorn.
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Clyde Mattocks
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Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 8:28 pm
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How many of us worked out the progression till we thought we had it right, it sounded right, we were smug about it and this blows us out of the water. There's still a place in his second line that I'm missing some tension.
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Dan Kelly
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Boston, MA
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Posted 18 Jul 2020 10:47 pm
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Wow! That was a fast 30 minutes! Great information about the counter melody.
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Ian Rae
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Posted 19 Jul 2020 12:14 am
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The countermelody is in the published sheet music, which is my source for everything. Real books are fine for kicking off a jazz improvisation, but not for creating a cover performance.
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Rick Barnhart
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Arizona, USA
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Paul Strojan
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California, USA
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Posted 19 Jul 2020 5:25 pm
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| Is there any real significance of the song being in Eb vs F? Or is it just a matter of moving the bar up two frets? |
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Ken Pippus
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Posted 19 Jul 2020 6:32 pm
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| Db. Nothing so pedestrian as Eb. |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 21 Jul 2020 12:08 pm
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| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
| I'm totally confused about this song now. So...which version is the one we used to hear on the radio back in the 60's? |
That would've been Getz Gilberto. Which makes me wonder where I learned it in F, altho the reason for a green guitarist it would have to be in F
to get beyond the first chord--in F, you had a chance. It had me looking for all the other major 7ths. I knew that all of my music, guitar or piano,
could be dominated by this chord, and so for that reason, it couldn't be allowed to if I ever hoped to make money.
Bossa nova always provides a way out of that chord into another. It's a chord dance. Chords glide over each other like Portugese vowels and sweaty bodies.
I wondered that too, Ian.
So, what is the most recorded song of all time?
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Jerry Overstreet
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Louisville Ky
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Posted 21 Jul 2020 12:18 pm
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| Thank you Charlie. I thought I remembered the girl singing that tune, but it's been a long time....so that version was the pop hit... |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Posted 21 Jul 2020 12:24 pm
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| So, what is the most recorded song of all time? |
I don't know but I hope it's not "Louie Louie." 
Ok. I Googled it on the Guiness Book of World Records website:
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There are thousands of different versions of The Beatles' (UK) 1965 hit "Yesterday" and John Newton's (UK, 1725–1807) 1779 hymn "Amazing Grace" on record, but George Gershwin's (USA) jazz standard "Summertime" is considered to be the most recorded song, with a staggering 67,591 recorded versions in existence as of 1 June 2017. |
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Ken Pippus
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Posted 21 Jul 2020 1:05 pm
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| Very pleased to see "Summertime" rank ahead of "Tie a Yellow Ribbon." |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 21 Jul 2020 3:37 pm
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So according to Andy, it can only be the 4th most recorded, and if you include Yellow Ribbon (thanks a bunch for reminding us, Ken!) the 5th
Still a fascinating song. Jobim was a real composer. I use One Note Samba as a warm-up.
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