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Topic: Doubling effect |
Larry Behm
From:
Mt Angel, Or 97362
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 9:56 am |
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What can I do to make my live playing sound like I am doubling myself? Sonny Garish did this a lot in the studio, but there must be a way to sound similar live.
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Gabriel Edell
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 10:37 am
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A slapback delay. Try 50ms or so with only one or two repeats. Keep the delay level on the higher side.
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Larry Dering
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Missouri, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 12:31 pm
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| I posed this question on other forums looking for how Jerry Reed did that on his recordings. Never got an answer. Delay is ok but not quite what I heard. Even a delay with 2 amps wasn't it for me. |
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Gabriel Edell
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 12:37 pm
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I would think that you could split the signal into two amps and use a slight delay with a short but randomized delay time and a slight pitch modulation. That would get you as close as possible to simulating double-tracking live (which is pretty ironic if you think about it).
I have no idea who makes a delay with a random delay time function but someone must.
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Henry Brooks
From:
Los Gatos, California, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 1:36 pm
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I think can do it with a pitch shifter like the Boss P5.
There needs to be a little de-tunning for the doubling effect to sound real.
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Larry Dering
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Missouri, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 2:33 pm
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| I have a boss pitch shifter but never tried it in combination with a delay. A chorus pedal has a similar effect and may be how Sonny used it. I haven't tried in a long time. Maybe it's time to try again. |
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 2:38 pm
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| In addition to the short delay, you can get a fake doubling sound on one amp with a decent chorus or flanger with the rate set all the way down. Then just fiddle with the depth adjustment until you get close to what you’re looking for. One slight drawback, it can add a bit of honk too, like a comb filter. I always kinda liked that sound, though. |
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 3:00 pm
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There's a few pedals made for that including the TC Electronic Mimiq Doubler Pedal. I had no luck at all with the Mimiq despite the stellar reviews.
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 13 Apr 2020 4:46 pm
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I have the Digitech Mosaic pedal and it does a 12 string effect pretty well. There are some demos on YouTube.
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Dale Rottacker
From:
Walla Walla Washington, USA
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Clyde Mattocks
From:
Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 6:08 am
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I think Sonny sometimes went back and actually double tracked it himself. I have done it in the studio. If you can lay it exactly on top it is a nice effect. We have done the same with violin parts to sound like a section. For a different effect, it will be even thicker if you don't use the same instrument for the second track. It's a phase issue. If I have a fiddle player laying down twin fiddles, I'll suggest he or she bring two fiddles.
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 7:12 am
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Yes, the doubling on Sonny's recordings is just that, he played the same part twice.
Common studio doubling technique is to appy a delay of 25-40 ms with similar volume and reverb levels to the original. Subtle modulation of the delayed signal helps, as it detunes the second signal in support of the illusion. I personally set my delay with a center at 28ms and enough modulation to vary between 26ms and 30ms. |
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Erik Alderink
From:
Ann Arbor Michigan, USA
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 8:43 am
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Keeley Makes an automatic double tracking pedal, which emulates the famous tape based effect and more.
I have no first hand experience with it, but it gets good reviews. |
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Bill Bassett
From:
Papamoa New Zealand
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Posted 15 Apr 2020 8:23 pm Almost 50 year old technology
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| The original Eventide Harmonizer H910 has a great doubling effect with slight pitch and time variations. Find one from 1974 or 1975. Oh, find a spare 10 grand too. Good luck. |
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