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Topic: Timing raise |
Joel Jackson
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Detroit
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 7:17 am |
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| Do folks typically have their octave strings (3 and 6, 4 and 8, 5 and 10) timed to begin their raises at the same time? Thanks. |
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Ian Rae
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 7:26 am
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They typically do, but I've never been particularly concerned as I don't usually play those strings at the same time. As long as each change feels good on its own, I'm happy, although I suppose they'll be smoother if they pick up together.
Others may think it's important, and it's certainly elegant from an engineering standpoint.
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Larry Bressington
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Nebraska
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 7:47 am
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One reason they went with 14 hole bellcranks was to optimise that timing. Half pedalling can be off if using octaves in the mix grips. 3 and 6 along 4 and 8 won't be as sensitive as they are half note raises, not many of use tease those raises like the A pedal, strings 5 and 10 can be half pedaled. If your guitar is set up nice they should pull pretty close and you're action should be quite smooth, not too stiff, not too much travel. All strings pull at different lenghts so it's a bit tricky on the uptake going slow.
If they are way off, you need to re-rod and adjust accordingly. (sparingly) Take photo's of bellcranks and changer position holes before any removal if you're just learning the ropes, i wish we had phones like this way back then. 
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 9:47 am
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| I've never timed those pulls or much cared if they were actuated at the same time. They are very accurately timed on all the new guitars I've acquired though. I'm in the same boat with cabinet drop as it's never affected the play-ability of any guitar I've owned. Pretty sure I'm in the minority camp on these issues! |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 11:30 am
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I'm not so sure Greg is in the minority.
| Ian Rae wrote: |
Others may think it's important, and it's certainly elegant from an engineering standpoint. |
That may be its attraction, but like most engineering things, we do it because we can.
I think it a finishing touch, considering string guages, the pull begins and ends together (or as near as one's bellcranks allow.)
(For that reason, I enjoyed my MSA.)
It has a nice feel in the pedal. If it were difficult, it'd be different.
I will fully admit, on the bandstand, it don't amount to a hill of beans.
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 3:30 pm
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| I like having octave strings timed a tiny bit off, so I can get "beats on demand" to spice music a little when I see fit. |
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 4:05 pm
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I don't think it's terribly important either. It's something that might be noticed if you were concentrating only on that part of your playing. And stopping and starting together doesn't guarantee that the in-between stuff will be moving equally, anyway. It's not even possible on a lot of guitars to time things perfectly, so I have tended not to worry about it very much. (Sorta like having a few cents cabinet drop.)  |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 14 Apr 2020 5:23 pm
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I find it distracting when the changes aren't timed properly. I don't like feeling that bump when a second string is picked up by the bellcrank.
I really haven't had any problems making the adjustments necessary to achieve those perfectly timed pulls, or even pushes with the S-12 E9/B6 Universal Emmons push/pull I had many years ago.
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Donny Hinson
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Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 18 Apr 2020 8:30 am
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| Lee Baucum wrote: |
I find it distracting when the changes aren't timed properly. I don't like feeling that bump when a second string is picked up by the bellcrank.
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Many have the "bump" set up to make it a half-stop, and then the distraction then becomes an advantage! |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 18 Apr 2020 9:30 am
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So many different answers to an apparently simple question. That's what makes this forum great!
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Lee Baucum
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McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 18 Apr 2020 10:16 am
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The fewer distractions I have, the more I can concentrate on playing the wrong notes in tune!
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 18 Apr 2020 11:59 am
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Yes, I hate it when I'm just about to make a mistake and something puts me off 
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