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Mike Anderson
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Posted 19 Mar 2020 6:18 am |
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Echoing what Doug says above. Considering what's possible with "normal" music, these people must have a very low boredom threshold.
Taking the statement at face value, all I can say is thank God all the really brilliant musicians I can think of never became that competent, or humanity would have either died of despair or started a wholly justified reign of terror against musicians.  |
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Andy Volk
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Posted 19 Mar 2020 8:18 am
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Ha!, Doug. 
When I went to art school back in the precambrian era, people were sitting in trees wrapped in plastic and getting A's in sculpture. I didn't get it then and still don't get it.
Strangely, when it comes to sound, I'm more forgiving - at least about the intent, if not the final result.
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Posted 19 Mar 2020 8:37 am
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I'm going to try an experiment sometime... I'm gonna set up an amp and mics and effects: delays, reverbs, flange, and have one of my 10-year old guitar students twist the knobs and play some guitar noises through it. I'll record it, post it, and wait for the critics to praise the incredible ambient, sonic music genius of it all! 
John Lennon did something similar when he wrote the lyrics to "I am the Walrus". He said he put together nonsense lyrics to mess with the heads of scholars trying to dissect Beatles songs.
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Allan Revich
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Victoria, BC
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Posted 20 Mar 2020 11:15 pm
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| Doug Beaumier wrote: |
I'm going to try an experiment sometime... I'm gonna set up an amp and mics and effects: delays, reverbs, flange, and have one of my 10-year old guitar students twist the knobs and play some guitar noises through it. I'll record it, post it, and wait for the critics to praise the incredible ambient, sonic music genius of it all!
John Lennon did something similar when he wrote the lyrics to "I am the Walrus". He said he put together nonsense lyrics to mess with the heads of scholars trying to dissect Beatles songs. |
Hey Doug,
You’re already most of the way there now! Conduct the experiment, don’t worry about “the criticsâ€. And you’re there.
Then you can rap my knuckles, and crack a whip to make me work on being a better player! |
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Eric Sprado
From:
Oregon, USA
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Posted 23 Mar 2020 1:31 pm
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| By nature music gets stretched and distorted.. We bend it,stretch it, and keep what we want..If nobody stretches boundaries we stagnate..Remember when Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile?(yes I'm that old) Never had been done before but became an rather frequent occurrence. I didn't like the "music" either but we need to experiment.. |
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Allan Revich
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Victoria, BC
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Posted 23 Mar 2020 5:55 pm
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| Eric Sprado wrote: |
| By nature music gets stretched and distorted.. We bend it,stretch it, and keep what we want..If nobody stretches boundaries we stagnate..Remember when Roger Bannister broke the 4 minute mile?(yes I'm that old) Never had been done before but became an rather frequent occurrence. I didn't like the "music" either but we need to experiment.. |
Exactly! It is possible to learn how to appreciate things, even if we don’t learn to like them.
I’m not a fan of either “new countryâ€, heavy metal, or Taylor Swift pop. But I would never disrespect the hardworking musicians that devote their lives to making this music. And I love that people are constantly trying to create things that are new and different. And I love hanging out with other musicians, no matter what kind of music we make.
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Dan Kelly
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 24 Mar 2020 5:27 am
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Hey Andy! Thanks for the link. Interesting... But Nope; It is just too hard to dance to.
The 3rd song, Sleep; I think Andy Warhol did an artistic piece on that subject.... both the song and the movie seemed to be about the same length to me.
Doug! Great Stuff... It brings to mind a Pink Floyd tune; "Careful With That Bar, Eugene."
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Doug Beaumier
From:
Northampton, MA
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 24 Mar 2020 8:02 am
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| Ah yes, The Shaggs! Their music is so bad in every way, it draws you in, like a car wreck. You can't turn away. |
Agreed. What's amazing to me is there's actually a cottage industry that specializes in covering Shaggs material. Go figure... |
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Mike Anderson
From:
British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 24 Mar 2020 8:03 am
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I know I'm old-fashioned, but I think music ought to tell a story - vocal music in other words - or at the very least convey some sort of human emotion. What's the emotion being conveyed here? The feeling of being psychotic? Sounds completely contrived to me, and my interest dies the moment I get that sense. Same applies to music and entertainment careers designed from the ground up to create hits. Sorry, Taylor Swift and anyone involved in new country.
Someone here is going to chime in now and say that the songs Patsy Cline and Hank Williams sang were designed to be hits. Maybe, although I think there's room for argument - but at least they didn't suck.  |
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Thomas Sabatini
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2020 10:59 am
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I can dig it in small doses and from a distance. Definitely not headphone music for me.
As for Eugene Chadbourne vs. The Blue Ribbons, I'm a fan straight-up.
I still like Hank and Patsy, too. |
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David DeLoach
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2020 11:29 am
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I've listened to this again - pretty sure he stole a bunch of my licks!  |
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Michael Castellana
From:
Massachusetts, USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2020 5:53 am
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I can dig it in small doses and from a distance. Definitely not headphone music for me.
As for Eugene Chadbourne vs. The Blue Ribbons, I'm a fan straight-up.
I still like Hank and Patsy, too. |
Yeah, Thomas! Thank you man, we're proud of that record. I've been a huge Chadbourne fan since ever. And pretty sure you're our furthest-fan (Ma to Oh) .. Onward and upward!
Be safe everyone,
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Allan Revich
From:
Victoria, BC
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Posted 27 Mar 2020 10:10 am
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Pretty cool. I would have liked it more without the non-stop drone notes.. But I love that people keep making new things, pushing the envelopes, and especially that there is an audience out there for music that doesn’t always conform to old ideas.
As an artist AND musician, I have one foot in each world. I love my traditional blues music, and the jazz that is built around it. But I also love sound art and sonic experimenting.
Musicians who are struggling with this kind of “music†might find it helpful to stop thinking of it as “songsâ€, and think instead of soundscapes, or building sonic environments.
Thanks for sharing Andy, and I find it so refreshing that a guy so well known for his cred in the most traditional of genres is so open to ideas out on the edges too. Gotta say you have a fan here!
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Doug Beaumier
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Northampton, MA
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Bill McCloskey
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Posted 27 Mar 2020 11:58 am
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Sounds like this are great to read and study by. I used to love listening to brian eno’s music for airports.
I also practice scales and intonation using drones. Good for ear training. |
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Andy Volk
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 27 Mar 2020 1:07 pm
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Allan, I listen to a much greater variety of music than I ever post about or put into my books. I'll give most things a fair listen but I won't promise to listen long if I don't like it.
Doug, I agree!
Bill, I too find ambient/soundscapes of all types help me stay in the zone when I'm working on creative graphic design and layout work.
I'm really a novice when it comes to Indian music but I found this recently and enjoyed it. Musically, I found it a little more interesting about 75% of the way through. Something about the flute being tied to the breath makes it probably the most human instrument for me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTnLL_2-Dj8
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