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Topic: Band members playing too loud? |
Dirk Edwards
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Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 8:27 am |
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I have only been playing 3 years(pedal).
30 years of 6 string,jazz to country.
Lots of bands I play with "Play so loud", that when I start to bring up my volume pedal my pitch mite be off slightly.
But in order to hear, I have to over compensate on volume
pedal.When at home obviously, and able to practice with backing tracks I can execute perfect swells and rolls with A/B pedals.My live performance sucks,and sometimes have to hide under pedal steel.
I am trying to get everyone to mike up so we can keep stage volume down which helps.But playing with a bunch of 20 year old children its hard to keep them off the
volume knob.
Any advise on pedal dynamics with rest of band appreciated? |
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Howard Parker
From:
Maryland
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 8:28 am
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Hearing protection & in-ear monitors are my friends, as required.
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David Mitchell
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Tyler, Texas
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 8:31 am
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| In my opinion you are playing in the wrong bands. I know exactly what you are talking about and got permanent ringing in my ears from that crap. Not necessary to play that loud on stage. That's why they have PA systems and sound engineers. |
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 8:43 am
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Thank you!
I am 53 now and should have started a long time ago.
But I love just doing the older 60s 70s slower melodic
playing that really excited me when real young.
Not any good at it yet, but trying to play with older and
more mature people does help.
I played last night, and my twin with two Electro voice
was on 7.5 to try and keep up with children.
I got lots of compliments..but you know how that is from people just being nice,or really dont know what there listening to. |
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Howard Parker
From:
Maryland
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 8:49 am
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Sometimes you don't know what the stage situation is like until you get to the venue.
It's good to have options.
The ears are everything.
h |
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Jim Cooley
From:
The 'Ville, Texas, USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 10:57 am
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| I played with a local band until I was forced to take a break because of illness in my family. The band leader was very understanding and told me to let him know when I was ready to start playing again. I had the chance to go hear the band before I committed. They instruments were so loud, the vocals were mostly lost in the mix and everything sounded jumbled together. They're a good group of guys and I need to be playing, but I haven't called the band leader back. |
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 11:09 am
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| There is a guy who just plays old Freddy fender,Mel Street and the like.Thats who I am going to start playing more with.The people are real drawn to it too?Old becomes New? |
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David Mitchell
From:
Tyler, Texas
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 12:20 pm
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| Dirk you might try to get the other guys to understand that everyone plays better and consequently sounds better at low volume. Rocks bands use volume to cover a world of sins. When everyone plays at a moderate volume it will sound like the jukebox playing. Like you said you cannot put your heart into your playing and use dynamics like pros when the volume is that loud. When everything is already wide open there's no where to go from there. Not a good situation. |
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 12:34 pm
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| Thank you........Yea they will figure out in about twenty years, when I am walking around talking to my self. |
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Dom Franco
From:
Beaverton, OR, 97007
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 12:59 pm
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Try putting your amp on a chair, amp stand or tilt back legs so it hits your ears first. If you can get all the other musicians to do this too, you will find you don't need as much volume and each player can hear themselves much better.
I don't understand why some guitar players will have their amps pushing 100+ watts, moving tons of air and hitting the back of their legs... or worse yet 10 feet behind them pointing at the other band members.
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 1:16 pm
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| Thank you |
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David Mitchell
From:
Tyler, Texas
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 1:26 pm
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| Dom Franco wrote: |
Try putting your amp on a chair, amp stand or tilt back legs so it hits your ears first. If you can get all the other musicians to do this too, you will find you don't need as much volume and each player can hear themselves much better.
I don't understand why some guitar players will have their amps pushing 100+ watts, moving tons of air and hitting the back of their legs... or worse yet 10 feet behind them pointing at the other band members. |
That's a great solution and what I have been doing for years. It takes a song or two to get adjusted. If the band can't hear you turn the amp in the chair slightly toward them or if you hear too much of yourself. If you need more volume turn it toward you. You'll find the sweet spot. If the audience can't hear it have the soundman turn the mains up but leave the monitors alone or you will have to readjust your position. If you put your amp in front of you or almost in front you can nearly silence the band but I always had to hear the vocals or I was lost. |
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 1:32 pm
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| Thank you |
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Ricky Davis
From:
Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 3:16 pm
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I played in many of those situations; but only 1 time as I said my favorite phrase: "I'm so sorry; I can never get loud enough or drunk enough to play with this band, good luck to ya, see ya down the road".
Ricky
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 4:39 pm
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| Well said! |
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Jack Stanton
From:
Somewhere in the swamps of Jersey
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 4:52 pm
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What David said..in one of the bands I play in the lead singer/ rhythm guitarist would put hid Deluxe on the floor and angle it away from him ( right towards me). He would get ungodly loud, and of course, it drove the stage volume..The lead guitarist and I had to turn up to be heard over him, and it just kept escalating.
We fixed it by putting his amp on a tilt back stand, with instructions to the soundman to pump a little of his amp back at him through his monitor if he starts getting loud. High difference. Stage volume dropped by almost half. Now if we could only do something about that dang drummer! |
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 29 Feb 2020 5:22 pm
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What a beautiful story, almost exactly like mine.Deluxe and all! Thanks for sharing! Drummers are almost non curable.I
don't mind jumping on them though. |
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Sandy Inglis
From:
Christchurch New Zealand
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Posted 1 Mar 2020 12:08 am
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We had a major volume problem in our band with the previous (double) Bass player, he hooked his big bass amp up to the PA Sub Woofer and blew the roof of a venue.
He's gone now but we continued to get loud until our Drummer had a hearing problem in which he couldn't tolerate loud noise! He got us to play quietly and BINGO I can now hear the monitors etc. We sound much more professional and clean, The drummers hearing problem was apparently a bacterial infection which was then cured with antibiotics. We have now become one of the quieter bands around. Occasionally we pump it up is the need arises, but we enjoy our music more now at a modest volume.
Sandy
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2020 6:22 am
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Thank you..Its funny at practices where they just play acoustics and quiet tele in the front room. Sounds so
good, with harmony vocals, and pedal.......but is some how
lost at live performance. I remind them.or try to
"remember what it was like at practice?" |
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Roger Rettig
From:
Naples, FL
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Posted 1 Mar 2020 8:16 am
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It's a bit like golf - most of us should hit the ball with our practice-swings! 
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2020 10:42 am
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| Dirk Edwards wrote: |
Thank you..Its funny at practices where they just play acoustics and quiet tele in the front room. Sounds so
good, with harmony vocals, and pedal.......but is some how
lost at live performance. I remind them.or try to
"remember what it was like at practice?" |
This is definitely part of the problem. Rehearsal should involve playing at (or very close to) full stage volume, after arrangements and vocals have been worked out. I don’t think you are in the wrong band, necessarily. They’re young and excited about trad country and just maybe need some guidance. It’s cool that you can be the voice of experience for them. |
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2020 10:56 am
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thanks  |
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Ron Shalita
From:
California, USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2020 3:03 pm
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Tell them to grow up or you will quit! Dont ruin your ears for a bunch of kids with huge egos..
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Been playing all of my life, Lead Guitar, and Pedal Steel, sing Lead and Harmony.. play other Instruments also but I hate to admit to it.. |
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Dirk Edwards
From:
Homedale ,Idaho USA
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Posted 1 Mar 2020 6:27 pm
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Thank you ..its not that its so loud as they have little concept of how pedal works in the dynamics of band.....
Its not a static instrument like a 6 string. Always modulating up,down,emotional and around .....thats why it is the most pleasant listening instrument in my opinion |
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Ron Shalita
From:
California, USA
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Posted 2 Mar 2020 4:14 am
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You said ; THEY play so loud... so what is it they are quiet and you cant get up with them OR they are too loud... sorry not understanding you..
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