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Topic: Wooden Reverb Tank - Warmer Verb? |
Dustin Kleingartner
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Saint Paul MN, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2019 8:54 am |
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Thinking about starting a project just for fun. I got the idea to make a wooden reverb tank. I'm envisioning using very thin wood, akin to an acoustic guitar. I also want to make it a bit bigger than a standard tank.
Any thoughts? What do you think this may do to the sound of the reverb? Any difference?
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 27 Nov 2019 9:20 am
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I would be interested in the results. I never really thought about how the enclosure of the spring affects the reverb. It’s a great idea. Let us know how it turns out.
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Dave Zirbel
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Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2019 9:24 am
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That's interesting. A friend that builds boutique amps was experimenting with chassis material and claims that aluminum sounds different than sheet metal with the exact same amp build inside...
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Bill A. Moore
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Silver City, New Mexico, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2019 9:25 am
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| You might be aware that sometimes a weak reverb is caused by loose transducers. Your wooden box may not be stiff enough for the springs. |
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Steve Spitz
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New Orleans, LA, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 8:25 am
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I’d be interested in your findings, but I’m not sure if what holds the springs and transducers would contribute to the process.
I suspect all the action is the circuitry inside the pan, not the container.
Just a guess, |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 9:11 am
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Curiosity question. Does the metal pan act as ground and possibly block out noise, like a shielded cable does?
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Bill A. Moore
From:
Silver City, New Mexico, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 9:56 am
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| My old Airline has a cardboard pan, and a surprisingly good reverb! |
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Tom Gorr
From:
Three Hills, Alberta
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 1:45 pm
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| If it helps get rid of shrill tinny reverb tone will be a hit! |
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 3:29 pm
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| A wood enclosure of Brazilian rosewood with an Appalachian spruce top should sound bitchen. And don't forget to use herringbone purfling around the edges. |
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Dave Zirbel
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Sebastopol, CA USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 5:17 pm
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Black Reverb pans sound best🙄
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Bill A. Moore
From:
Silver City, New Mexico, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 6:14 pm
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| Some of the less expensive SS amps mount the reverb inside the chassis with just a frame to hold the transducers, no tank needed. |
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Clyde Mattocks
From:
Kinston, North Carolina, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2019 10:21 pm
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Remember the old Danelectro reverb with the single big spring? It was in a wooden box and only had one knob. That was a long time ago. I'd like to try one again
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Gabriel Edell
From:
Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 6:00 am
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| Dave Zirbel wrote: |
That's interesting. A friend that builds boutique amps was experimenting with chassis material and claims that aluminum sounds different than sheet metal with the exact same amp build inside...
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Aluminum is non-magnetic and doesn't interact with the transformers. It's also a faster conductor so voltage to ground is more efficient (Alessandro does/did sell amps with silver and gold chassis for this reason). Not sure how dramatic the difference in tone is but a lot of boutique amps are built with aluminum chassis, even though steel is cheaper, stronger, and easier to work with.
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 6:18 am
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| Clyde Mattocks wrote: |
| Remember the old Danelectro reverb with the single big spring? It was in a wooden box and only had one knob. That was a long time ago. I'd like to try one again |
yeah, but that was not a good sounding unit compared to the Fender from what I recall of them ..,,
Not really sold on the single spring reverb
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Bill A. Moore
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Silver City, New Mexico, USA
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 11:21 am
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| Does the metal pan act as ground and possibly block out noise, like a shielded cable does? |
It stands to reason it would, as long as it is grounded to the amp chassis, and I've never seen one that isn't. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 1:17 pm
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Sounds like a different idea, I'll give you that. The "woody effect" would increase as you dialed up the reverb. That might be good, or it might be bad, although I can't see where wood would have much effect, since the springs don't create much sound/vibration in normal operation. I'd be careful with how big you make it, though. Long springs are far more likely to clash and crash that shorter ones.  |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 2:11 pm
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| I have a difficult time imagining how it could impact the sound, since usually the spring & transducer assembly is itself suspended by springs, so hardly any vibration energy is transmitted from the housing and the spring-transducer assembly. |
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Peter Freiberger
From:
California, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 2:37 pm
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| I was going to suggest anything made of wood is warmer if you set it on fire, but I'm way too classy a guy to do that. |
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John Groover McDuffie
From:
LA California, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 2:46 pm
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 3:19 pm
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| As a former amp tech, I don't see where the housing, wood, steel, aluminum, cardboard or whatever will have any affect on the reverb sound. Metal housings are used to shield the electronics. A non metallic would not shield anything. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 29 Nov 2019 8:36 pm
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| John Groover McDuffie wrote: |
| I have a difficult time imagining how it could impact the sound, since usually the spring & transducer assembly is itself suspended by springs, so hardly any vibration energy is transmitted from the housing and the spring-transducer assembly. |
I do know first-hand that if you take a Fender reverb unit out of the "bag", and screw it directly to the cabinet, it changes the sound decay...and not for the better!  |
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Dustin Kleingartner
From:
Saint Paul MN, USA
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Posted 2 Dec 2019 1:55 pm
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Wow!! Lots of good info to think about, thanks everybody! This is the kind of info that keeps me from spending money on pointless endeavors.
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