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Topic: E9th - tuning the D string |
b0b
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Posted 25 Jun 2019 9:31 am |
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In another topic, Ian Rae wrote:
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| If you flatten your 9th string until the beats with 8 go away, you'll get an unbelievably sonorous 7th chord. No use for anything else, though! |
This got me wondering how people typically tune their 9th string. I often use it as the root of a pedals-down Maj7 chord, so I tune it harmonically to the 6th string A note with pedals A+B down. When I release the pedals, the open tuning is about +5 cents above center.
ET +5 cents is also where I tune my E strings, so as a 7th note it sounds good enough. Do you all agree, or do you tune your 9th string higher or lower than I do?
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Ian Rae
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Posted 25 Jun 2019 9:36 am
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What I described is more of an acoustical experiment than a practical tip. The 9th string is way more use as a root, and at that pitch is quite acceptable as a (minor) 7th.
I tune it a 5th below the A, and if I engage the A pedal the 7th string flattens slightly to give an in-tune triad.
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Ricky Davis
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Bertram, Texas USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2019 11:30 am
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I tune my 9th string to the A note of the 6th string(a+b pedals down). So my A note pedals down is straight up 440...so the 9th string is 440 also and my E's are straight up also on the pedal down A chord. So when I let my pedals off...yes the E's now are sharp but only a few cents; not 5 cents...and 9th string doesn't move from straight up....and BTW; it really does depend on the amount of drop you are tuning to; when you push your pedals down...and I also use a wound 6th string....
Ricky
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Bengt Erlandsen
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Brekstad, NORWAY
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Posted 25 Jun 2019 2:59 pm
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I use the 9th string as root a whole lot so I match that note to be in tune with the A note (B pedal)
There is a b7 D note (E beeing the root) both below and above the D note that would be heard on a  "in tune" piano. The D note that is 31cents flat or 18 cents sharp. Easily found on the steel-guitar but can also easily sound way out of tune with others if not beeing careful.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 25 Jun 2019 5:47 pm
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| Same as you b0b. |
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Tucker Jackson
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 25 Jun 2019 10:58 pm
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| It seems we're all in agreement. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 25 Jun 2019 11:47 pm
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That's a first - how disappointing! 
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Stu Schulman
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Posted 26 Jun 2019 12:35 am
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I'm with B0b!
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Fred Treece
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California, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2019 7:51 am
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| I also follow b0b’s +5/-5/0 temperament scheme to an extent. I bump the F# strings up to about +2 though, because of their function as a perfect 5th to the B’s. The root B at +5 and the 5th F# at 0 was too much wobble. It throws off the F# major 3rd function (to the D’s), but not enough to sneeze at. The D works very well at +5, as a root, b7, and b3. |
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2019 9:23 am
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| Fred Treece wrote: |
| I also follow b0b’s +5/-5/0 temperament scheme to an extent. |
For those not familiar with it, here's my "Fault Tolerant" E9th chart. The open string tuning is easy to memorize. I sometimes tweak the pedals a bit by ear for sweetness but I stick with the +5/-5/0 scheme on the open strings for simplicity's sake. Not perfect, but not bad either.
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| I bump the F# strings up to about +2 though, because of their function as a perfect 5th to the B’s. The root B at +5 and the 5th F# at 0 was too much wobble. It throws off the F# major 3rd function (to the D’s), but not enough to sneeze at. |
I never noticed that problem. I think that the cabinet raise caused by the "E" lever might be greater on the 7th string than on the 5th (and 10th). I rarely play F# and B strings together without lowering my E's. Something to measure.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 26 Jun 2019 11:49 am
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Cabinet drop/ raise can work to advantage, but it's easy to add a compensating lower on string 7, operated by the A pedal. Then that string can do both its jobs in a controlled circumstance.
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b0b
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Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 26 Jun 2019 12:33 pm
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I used to tune the 7th string flat for the DMaj7, with a compensator to raise it a few cents on the E lever. I'm not so picky about tuning anymore. 
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 26 Jun 2019 12:45 pm
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| b0b wrote: |
| I used to tune the 7th string flat for the DMaj7, with a compensator to raise it a few cents on the E lever. |
That would be the equal and opposite way of doing it.
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| I'm not so picky about tuning anymore. |
That's yet another way, which I wish I'd thought of.
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Len Amaral
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Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 26 Jun 2019 5:05 pm
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I use the Peterson tuner with the U-12 preset. I changed things around on my U-12 Jeff Newman setup. Usually, the 9th string B with a LKL raising a tone and a half to D. I now have my 6th string G# to Bd on the LKL and using my vertical 8th string E to D. I have to dial in the D note by ear on this change rather than depending on the Peterson.
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John Goux
From:
California, USA
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Posted 27 Jun 2019 11:22 pm
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I’ve got my D string equal to my E’s, as Bob.
I’m on a hybrid tuning of ET, Bob’s Meantone, and Just. But all at 441, so 4 cents above 440. Close to Bob.
All open strings straight up, except G#s at -11 and D# at -10.
D string based chords sound fine to me. The F# strings sag -4 cents due to AB cabinet drop, so you get slightly sweetened major 3rd.
My (B)C pedal is equal to the cabinet drop on string 7, about 5 cents below the Es. The F#minor chord is great.
If string 6 didn’t sag different than Str 3, I’d be quite satisfied with this system.
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 28 Jun 2019 1:54 am
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| I used to use a modified Newman tuning on my Franklin for many years. When I got a new Peterson StrobOPlus HD I started using the sweetend Newman tuning and its worked for the last two years. I don't know where the Newman D tuning sits but it works for me. |
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Len Amaral
From:
Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 28 Jun 2019 5:31 am
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Hi Jack, on the Newman tuning the the 9th string B is 442 raised to a D 442. Lowering the 8th string E 442 to D if you tune that to 442 it sounds a bit off so I tweak it by ear.
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Gary Hegland
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Washington, USA
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Posted 28 Jun 2019 10:18 am
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I tune straight up. Everything on zero. Works great!
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 28 Jun 2019 10:25 am
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b0b, I get my 6th string in tune with B pedal down, which will be an A.
Then I tune the 9th string to that, with all the beats gone.
As for the 7th string, I tune it in tune open, and I have a comp. on the A pedal to lower it in tune with pedals down.
Hope some of this makes since. 
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