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Topic: Does anyone play jazz on E9? |
Gabriel Edell
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 4:46 am |
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Everyone I've ever heard uses C6, which make sense. But I have to assume that someone has successfully played jazz arrangements on 10 string E9. Can someone share some examples?
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Jean-Sebastien Gauthier
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Quebec, Canada
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 5:23 am
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I'm listening!
I came from non pedal C6 to S10 E9 pedal steel.
For now I use A6 (pedal AB) and B6 (Eb lever) and play in a non pedal style, it work very well and my old Sho-Bud sound almost like a non pedal.
But Im totally lost if I want to sound like a C6 pedal steel. |
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Ron Hogan
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Nashville, TN, usa
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 5:44 am
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You'll find so much here by Jody.
CLICK HERE
Have fun |
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Stu Schulman
From:
Ulster Park New Yawk (deceased)
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 6:33 am
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I play a handful of standards on a 10 string E9th.Doing have any videos
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Joseph Carlson
From:
Grass Valley, California, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 7:48 am
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Herb Steiner has a couple courses called "Swinging on E9" that get a lot of praise here on the forum.
http://www.herbsteinermusic.com/E9.html
I have them in the middle of a huge stack of instructional material that I intend to tackle one day after my kids are grown.
Not sure it is jazz exactly, maybe more like swing, but in the same neighborhood for sure. |
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Michael Harrington
From:
Ann Arbor
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Ian Rae
From:
Redditch, England
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 8:37 am
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Jazz is a style. You can play Crazy Arms that way if you feel so moved.
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Johnie King
From:
Tennessee, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 8:48 am
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Check out
Randy Beavers, Travis Toy An Tyler Hall on YouTube playing the song nightlife.
Two demos on E ninth an one C 6th.
All good!!! |
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 9:00 am
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Does anyone know who this is?
That is a U12. He is playing it more or less in E9, and playing it very very well.
I loved that close up on his boot ðŸ¤
Great sounding little group, and an interesting up tempo take on the tune. Too bad nobody told the guitar player to dress for video...
Last edited by Fred Treece on 6 Jun 2019 10:51 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Chris Brooks
From:
Providence, Rhode Island
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 9:05 am
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I play (only) an extended E9 with couple of extra pedals. I'm in a jazz quartet doing stuff from Monk and Sting to Cline and Metheny . . . plus originals. I write out my own charts.
The group is guitar, bass, drums, and steel, so I have been developing my rhythm steel approach, to support a guitar solo, for example. For this I find myself playing lower string clusters--to stay out of this mid-frequency stratum.
My 0 pedal helps in this genre, flatting the G#s. But I have had to figure out where chords like half-diminisheds are on the fingerboard. One way involves half-pedaling the A pedal": scary!
And I use a knee lever to flat the D# string.
BTW, my E to E# lever also sends string 12 (E) down to C#. This can be fun.
The ext E9 is a great tuning but like everything else, a guy's gotta spend some time with it. Our little group has been together for a couple of years--but I am still struggling to play some of the stuff!
Chris |
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Alan Cannell
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 9:40 am
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| Do I spot just four floor pedals and not many knee levers? Anybody know what his Copedent is? |
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Michael Harrington
From:
Ann Arbor
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 11:16 am
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Fred, I believe his name is GD Walker. He also created the "Stereo Steel" amplifiers. Below is a link to a quick-read interview with him that has some cool pix and bio info.
http://www.stereosteel.com/GDpurch_prices_pinfo.html
(Sorry Gabriel for slightly hi-jacking the thread!!)
-Michael |
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Fred Justice
From:
Mesa, Arizona
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 11:21 am
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As mentioned above, Randy Beavers is an absolute Monster playing jazz on the E9th neck
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scott murray
From:
Asheville, NC
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 11:23 am
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I asked the same thing on a facebook group recently (i steel Jazz) and was told Jody Cameron as well as Travis Toy and a band called Standard Deviations with Daniel Jones on steel.
also:
Bruce Kaphan Quartet and Rick Schmidt
here's great footage of Russ Wever from '95. he jumps on the E9 during Song For My Father (11 mins in) and keeps it jazzy: https://youtu.be/aJFLzZv26qk
Emmons also used the E9 on Song For My Father when he did it with Danny Gatton. Canadian Sunset too
I don't play much jazz on E9 per se, but I've been able to find just about any chord I've ever needed. I mess with a lot of Monk tunes on steel, I'm up to about 40 and I only do one on E9, I Mean You. it just works up there!
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 11:23 am
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Is the Intro to the song Josie, by Steely Dan, jazz?
Kevin Ryan from Goodrich Co has it down on E9 S10.
I think he has it tabbed out somewhere.
I have been meaning to learn it just for some E9th fun. |
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 11:38 am
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Great steel player there.. Very impressive.. Flat handed technique but smooth as butter... the guitarist is a very fine player but needs a tone transplant... Either use the front pickup on that strat, and cut the treble and add some bass, or go get a 335.. or something... bob
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David Weisenthal
From:
Arizona, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 12:24 pm
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| Didnt Jeff Newman have a jazz course for E9...🤔 |
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Jim Fiegen
From:
California, USA
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 3:58 pm
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| Michael Harrington wrote: |
Fred, I believe his name is GD Walker. He also created the "Stereo Steel" amplifiers. Below is a link to a quick-read interview with him that has some cool pix and bio info.
http://www.stereosteel.com/GDpurch_prices_pinfo.html
(Sorry Gabriel for slightly hi-jacking the thread!!)
-Michael |
Thanks, Michael! |
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Alan Cannell
From:
United Kingdom
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Posted 6 Jun 2019 10:19 pm
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| Just heard from GD WALKER and he kindly gave me his tuning etc. He does indeed use just four floor pedals , his reasoning and copedant is very interesting . |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 9 Mar 2023 7:51 am
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Absolutely
Both necks exist for good reason, and each has its stong and weak points, and different songs will be decidely more easily played on one or the other, as the two necks represent nearly perpendicular approaches to music theory and its use.
For example, just in the realm of bossa my experience has been that standards such as "Girl from Ipanema" "Corcovado" and "Manha de Carnival (Black Orpheus)" with their inherent complex chords are decidely more suited to the C6 approach than that of the common E9 tuning, as opposed to "One Note Samba" and "So Danco Samba (Jazz Samba)" which give the E9 system room to fly, even though four of these five were composed by the same person. |
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Jim Fiegen
From:
California, USA
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Posted 9 Mar 2023 9:12 am
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There are some jazz ideas in the posts of my blog.
https://jimfiegen.com/steel-guitar-blog/
Some of them may interest you especially the quartal voicings
I use 4 pedals and 4 knee levers on a 10 string E9.
There's an explanation of the tuning in there somewhere.
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Dennis Detweiler
From:
Solon, Iowa, US
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Posted 9 Mar 2023 10:16 am
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I've been playing U-12 for many years. If I was to play on a standard 10 E9th, I would remove the 9th string (D) and move the 10th string (B) up to the 9th string position and add a G# to the 10th string position. Pull the 9th string (B) up to D with a knee lever. Pedal A/B down will give you an open A6th. Eb lever will give you B6th. Add a few more floor pedals in conjunction with the B6th tuning. I have thought about buying an S-10 to experiment with the idea, but haven't pulled the trigger. It seems to me, that leaving the 9th string tuned to D allows the D to get in the way of any strum 6th tuning and it's floor pedals. leaving the D string on would be similar to adding an Eb string in the middle of a standard C6th tuning and trying to work around it. Too much work to a simple solution.
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John Hyland
From:
South Australia
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Posted 9 Mar 2023 12:20 pm
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| Alan Cannell wrote: |
| Just heard from GD WALKER and he kindly gave me his tuning etc. He does indeed use just four floor pedals , his reasoning and copedant is very interesting . |
Any insight into the copendent? |
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