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Topic: RKL with GFI copedent |
Gabriel Edell
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Posted 29 May 2019 4:18 pm |
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I have been trying to figure out uses for the RKL on my GFI.
From what I can tell, it's the regular Emmons setup except the RKL also raises the first string from F# to G#.
So:
1st string: F# up to G#
2nd string: D# up to E
6th string: G# down to F#
Assuming you can use this to return the 6th string back to G# when B pedal is engaged. But what else? Having some trouble finding any info.
Thanks in advance.
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Posted 29 May 2019 4:30 pm Re: RKL with GFI copedent
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| Gabriel Edell wrote: |
6th string: G# down to F#
Assuming you can use this to return the 6th string back to G# when B pedal is engaged. |
It's actually better than that. It gives you a G note, which turns your "pedals down" major chord into a 7th chord.
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Steve Knight
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Posted 29 May 2019 5:06 pm
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Strings 1 & 2 are a minor 3rd interval. When you engage RKL, you make them a major 3rd interval. You can can easily play a harmonized scale on those strings:
CE DF EG FA GB AC BD CE
8th fret RKL
11th fret release
13th release
13th RKL
15th RKL
18 release
20 release
20 RKL
You can also get unison notes hitting strings 1 or 2, then engaging RKL, then hit string 3 or 4. String 1 RKL= string 3; string 2 RKL=string 4.
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Steve Knight
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Posted 29 May 2019 5:09 pm
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For the 6 string lower on RKL, if you are playing a C chord at fret 8 on strings 5, 6 & 8, if you engage LKR and RKL, the C becomes a G chord:
G>=>G
E>RKL>D
C>LKR>B
I'm sure there are lot more options than that; but, those are the changes I (over) use on my GFI. |
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Steve Knight
From:
NC
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Posted 29 May 2019 5:12 pm
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| That is also the E9 copedent on a Williams guitar, per their website. |
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Ian Rae
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Posted 30 May 2019 1:27 am
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The 6th string lower is a common change, as is raising 1&2. Putting them on the same lever is obvious once you've thought of it 
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Gabriel Edell
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 30 May 2019 1:50 pm
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Thanks Guys! You opened up a whole new world and I spent all morning exploring these possibilities. I especially like that the RKL (Not the same as a “G” lever right? What do you call it?) extends open position major chords into the 1st and 2nd strings with the unisons and provides a nice chorusing effect.
I had a hard time adding the RKL to the “pedals down” major chord to turn it into a 7th though. Couldn’t get it to land in tune, no matter how much I tuned the lever on the 6th string.
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Chris Reesor
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 30 May 2019 3:33 pm
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That is split tuning. The GFI uses the extra rod method to achieve this. If the extra rod is already installed, there should be three nylon tuners on string six, which will allow you to accurately tune the string to F#, G, G#, and A.
Search "split tuning" for the rest of the story.
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 30 May 2019 5:30 pm
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| Gabriel Edell wrote: |
| ...What do you call it?... |
I have heard this lever is called "The Franklin Lever".
Here is an open-position G-at-fret-3 lick.
In the Tab I call the G#-to-F# Lower "FL" for Franklin Lever.
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4-E 2-3
5-B 3-3A 3 3 3
6-G# 3 3-3FL 3-3FL 3FL--3
7-F#
8-E 3 3
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Release that very last 3FL-3 very slowly to get the max twang factor! |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 31 May 2019 1:28 am
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The G# to F# lever was an essential tool of BE and should properly be named for him, I think. If it also lowered 5 then it would be a Franklin change, I suppose. I call it the G lever and mine also raises string 1 to G, which I think is quite a common combination. As I play a uni, it also lowers 10. Split G on both 6 & 10 via screws on the changer.
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 31 May 2019 1:55 am
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| My G# > F# lever lowers both G# strings on my regular E9 tuned PSGs – with split to G, and lower all three G# strings on my Extended E tuned ones. Lowering 3d string like that is a stretch, but as that probably is my most used lever-change I take the chance and haven't observed any string-breaking problems. |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 31 May 2019 2:46 am
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Georg, I'm glad your bravery has been rewarded
I like the way you say "observed" as if it might not be obvious!
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Gabriel Edell
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 31 May 2019 6:15 am
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| Chris Reesor wrote: |
That is split tuning. The GFI uses the extra rod method to achieve this. If the extra rod is already installed, there should be three nylon tuners on string six, which will allow you to accurately tune the string to F#, G, G#, and A.
Search "split tuning" for the rest of the story. |
So mine does not have the third rod. Just the raise on the B pedal and the lower on the "G lever". It's an older (2006) keyless Ultra.
Looks like rods and associated parts aren't too expensive from GFI. Is this something I could install myself? I'm fairly handy.
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 31 May 2019 6:29 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| The G# to F# lever was an essential tool of BE and should properly be named for him, I think. If it also lowered 5 then it would be a Franklin change, I suppose. I call it the G lever and mine also raises string 1 to G, which I think is quite a common combination. As I play a uni, it also lowers 10. Split G on both 6 & 10 via screws on the changer. |
I did not make that up. There was a specific song that Paul Franklin used that lever on, specifically the string 1 and 2 raise, that started that name.
On my own Steel I call the lever that lowers all three G#'s to "G" "The G-Lever".
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Chris Reesor
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 31 May 2019 7:01 am
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Gabriel, you just need to install a rod, a pull pin in the existing bell crank, and the nylon tuner. Not a big job at all.
Al Brisco sells GFI; why don't you give him a call. He probably has the parts you need.
GFI is said to have good customer service, so they could probably set you on the right track as far as the installation goes.
If your guitar has a whole step lower on string 2, that will also be a candidate for split tuning to get C#, D, D#, and E. Of course the applicable levers need to be on opposite knees to do this.
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Gabriel Edell
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 31 May 2019 8:25 am
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I will do that. Thanks!
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 31 May 2019 10:02 am
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Thank You for this one!!!
This works great for 2minor to 5 to 1 chord progressions!
The bridge on Siver Wings is a good one to practice this scale on. You can really fly up and down the neck.
Fun!
| Steve Knight wrote: |
Strings 1 & 2 are a minor 3rd interval. When you engage RKL, you make them a major 3rd interval. You can can easily play a harmonized scale on those strings:
CE DF EG FA GB AC BD CE
8th fret RKL
11th fret release
13th release
13th RKL
15th RKL
18 release
20 release
20 RKL
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 31 May 2019 10:17 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
Georg, I'm glad your bravery has been rewarded
I like the way you say "observed" as if it might not be obvious! |
Those observations have gone on since I installed the change back in the -80s, and by now I am pretty sure that change on third string is "safe"  |
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Chris Reesor
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British Columbia, Canada
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Posted 31 May 2019 12:36 pm
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Ian, I believe Jeff Newman called this the X lever,at least the string 6 lower,and maybe including raising string 1 to G. The big E might be its originator. Please, someone correct me if I am wrong.
I seem to recall I've seen someone here attribute the string 2&1 half and whole raises to John Hughey. Once again, subject to correction.
Pete, yes, that would definitely make it easier to use that string pair in that way for someone with a feel stop on string 2. If one has the half step lower by itself with a solid stop, maybe not much difference.
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Gabriel Edell
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Hamilton, Ontario
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Posted 20 Jul 2019 5:02 am
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| Chris Reesor wrote: |
Gabriel, you just need to install a rod, a pull pin in the existing bell crank, and the nylon tuner. Not a big job at all.
Al Brisco sells GFI; why don't you give him a call. He probably has the parts you need. |
I bought the parts from Al Brisco and installed them yesterday. Only took about 5 minutes to add the rod and another 5 minutes or so to tune up. Works great!
Thanks for everyone's advice.
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