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Topic: Something strange with this Sho Bud |
Brian Bellendir
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Posted 4 Jan 2019 8:23 pm |
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About a year ago I bought a Carter Starter just to see if I had any ability to learn the instrument. I have been steadily progressing and love this instrument. I saw a Show Bud 3 x 4 for sale on Craigslist. I called the guy. He said he bought it a few years ago and never learned to play it. We made a deal. I'm in Kansas he was in Mississippi. I bought it sight unseen. It arrived in a VERY well used hard case, but the instrument was in good cosmetic shape. It evidently was a double neck but the C6 had been removed and replaced by a pad.
Ok... I know this post going to be long but please bear with me.
About me, I'm the 1/2 owner of a small music store. I am trained in instrument repair. (woodwinds - brass) I'm also trained in machine shop work. The mechanics of these instruments is pretty straight forward.
Now more about me... I don't know hooey about steel guitars. LOL
My first discovery was that the functions of the A and B pedal were reversed. That was an easy enough fix. But why?
In my little experience with a steel guitar I have found the set up of the functions can be "custom".
I have attached 2 pictures of tuning charts. One is from the Carter manual I received with it. The other is from a MelBay Chord Chart I purchased last year (please ignore my chicken scratches ). As you can see, the functions of the knee levers is not the same. It appears to me the functions of the knee levers on the Carter and Sho Bud are the same. Here come the questions.
Is there a "standard tuning set up?
If not, is the Emmons the most common?
Where do I find a chord chart?
Why is the MelBay chart showing different functions?
Is the Sho Bud a push/pull system. I'm going to guess it is a 1970's. Other than the Sho Bud name it only has the word "Custom"
Should I change the system that operates the levers or leave it like the Carter?
Any idea why the "A" and "B" pedal functions would be reversed?
I have more questions about the switch and pickup, but that will wait. Thanks in advance for the help.
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Brian Bellendir
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Kansas, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2019 8:27 pm
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| I guess I forgot a question. Is there a standard set up for the knee levers? If not what is most common? |
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Tucker Jackson
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Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 4 Jan 2019 9:43 pm Re: Something strange with this Sho Bud
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The swapping of the A and B pedals is odd. Are you sure it wasn't the A and C pedal? Because that would be pretty common (The Day Setup).
| Brian Bellendir wrote: |
| I have attached 2 pictures of tuning charts. One is from the Carter manual I received with it. The other is from a MelBay Chord Chart I purchased last year (please ignore my chicken scratches ). As you can see, the functions of the knee levers is not the same. |
The two charts are mostly consistent. I think you're misreading the Mel Bay chart. Those knee lever columns are not necessarily listed in the order that they should appear on the guitar... they are in the alphabetical order of the letter that names the lever. The D lever is listed first, but that doesn't mean that change is necassarily meant to appear on LKL (Left Knee Left). Mel Bay doesn't know where all their student's D levers are physically located on different guitars -- so they left the location ambiguous so as to not confuse people and just listed some common changes, sorted alphabetically.
Meanwhile, The Carter chart is listed in the order that the levers appear on that particular guitar. You'll notice at the top of the columns that it has "LKL" followed by "LKR" and so forth.
The Carter lever order is very common, except for the change on RKL. Seems like most people have a 1st string raise and 6th string lower (or 7th stg raise) there. But there is no hard standard and there are a million opinions on what's best.
If you fixed the A and B pedals you're ready to play. |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 5 Jan 2019 1:46 am
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there is no 100% guaranteed setup, there are common setups that many use but by no means is that considered "a must".
Someone buys a Red Corvette and paints it Pink. Then sells it. The new buyer says, why is this car Pink, they never made any Pink ones.
The good news with the Sho Bud is that YOU can change the setup to whatever you desire. reconfigure the pedals and knee levers to a COMMON and typical setup , be it Emmons or Day and you will be back to ground zero.
How it got to where it is will be an impossible question to answer.
Just like the Corvette, paint it RED again!.
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Brian Hollands
From:
Geneva, FL USA
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Posted 5 Jan 2019 5:12 am ShoBud
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Without pictures of the guitar and underside its impossible to tell you much about it.
At the top of each forum page there are links. The "links" link has great resources including a listing of more or less standard copedents as well as those of many famous players. [url]https://b0b.com/wp/?page_id=684[/url]
Emmons is the most common and refers to the pedals places A B C from left to Right. Knee lever placement is not standard other than the E to F raise being LKL on Emmons or LKR on Day. This because the A pedal an E raise are often used together.
Which brings us to chord charts. There are three good ones I've seen. One is here [url]https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=147199[/url] you need to download it from her site.
Another is the chord booklet here [url]https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?
t=179876&highlight=chord+chart[/url]
Both are from forum members.
Finally, the best reference I've seen is Troy Brenningmeyers chord chart. Its available from his web site, google lessons with troy. I think its part of lesson 6. Costs $10 bucks or so but well worth it in my opinion.
Hope that helps
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Brian Bellendir
From:
Kansas, USA
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Posted 5 Jan 2019 8:31 am
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You guys are helpful already. I was being too literal with the chord charts. I ASSsumed the order they were listed on the chart was the order for every instrument. thanks again.
I saw there was a guy that had Sho Bud serial number and production data on the forum. I do not see a sticker or tag on the underside of this guitar. Where is it stamped? Thanks again guys. |
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Brian Hollands
From:
Geneva, FL USA
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Posted 5 Jan 2019 10:07 am
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S/N should be stamped on the end plate and the body of the guitar opposite the changer end.
By chord chart, I thought you meant location of chord positions on the fret board. The chart showing what each pedal and lever does is a copedent chart like I'd linked above. Lots of variation on those
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