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Topic: RKL question ? |
Cameron Fulp
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Lindale Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 10:19 am |
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Hey guys so on my emmons set up I was used to using this, but it seems to be a little bit different here on my new BMI guitar, just wondering if any of you can give me any input about how to use this lever? Thank you !
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Jay Coover
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Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 10:34 am
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It looks like with A + RKL you'll get an A7 chord at fret 0. Add the B pedal so you get the root note too. (A + B + RKL)
With A + RKL + V you'll get an Am7 or C major chord if the V is set up for a tuned split with the A pedal. Looks like it is not an option for string 12 though. Add the B pedal here too (A + B + RKL + V), but note that in the unlikely event that this will be used as a C major chord, you will have a 6th on string 3 & 6.
Just RKL will obviously give you an E minor chord.
With the E minor, the A note (B pedal) would be a fourth, but less troublesome in a minor chord than the major third, so I'd be inclined to usually employ the B pedal in all the above examples.
I think the usual way to get a G note is with a B pedal / Franklin lever split on the 6th string. Different method here.
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Fred Treece
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 10:45 am
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| Jay Coover wrote: |
Just RKL will obviously give you an E minor chord. |
It will also give you an E6 chord on strings 6-5-4-3-2, as well as a nice chromatic neighbor note on string 1 for building a swingy single note riff. |
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Jay Coover
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Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 10:48 am
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Yeah, you can use that minor/major note combo to launch any number of licks. Guitarist's bread and butter.
It's a similar flavor to being on the A+F major chord and pedaling off and on the F lever (minor/major) |
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Fred Treece
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California, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 11:49 am
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| Jay Coover wrote: |
| Yeah, you can use that minor/major note combo to launch any number of licks. Guitarist's bread and butter. |
And keyboard players, and horn players...why should steelers be left out, eh? |
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Cameron Fulp
From:
Lindale Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 11:53 am
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| Thanks guys , wow this is why I love the forum ! |
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Jay Coover
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Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 1:13 pm
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| Fred Treece wrote: |
| Jay Coover wrote: |
| Yeah, you can use that minor/major note combo to launch any number of licks. Guitarist's bread and butter. |
And keyboard players, and horn players...why should steelers be left out, eh? |
You're right, but I'm coming from guitar land so...
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Jay Coover
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Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 1:37 pm
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It looks to me like it may be tweaked for the no pedals position dominant blues. If you engage that RKL and then use P8 (possible?) to go back and forth between the root and dom7 note, use the B pedal for the 4th note, and maybe even the V lever for an occasional flat five and you've got the blues scale right there in one position, with a beautiful option to quickly go between minor and major notes, playing them off each other.
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Fred Treece
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California, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 2:22 pm
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| Jay Coover wrote: |
| Fred Treece wrote: |
| Jay Coover wrote: |
| Yeah, you can use that minor/major note combo to launch any number of licks. Guitarist's bread and butter. |
And keyboard players, and horn players...why should steelers be left out, eh? |
You're right, but I'm coming from guitar land so... |
Same here. For all the slamming that guitar players get on the forum, it sure seems like a considerable proportion of us have our roots in the 6-string world. I will always think like a guitarist, even realizing this psg business is quite a different animal.
That’s a really cool observation about the blues scale being in one position, including the b5. |
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Jay Coover
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Nashville, TN, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 2:38 pm
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Another clue this is built for blues...you can essentially strum the bottom 5 strings and slide them around (and palm mute, not block, when needed) much like a delta blues guitar player. Can't do that on a standard E9 (extended or otherwise) setup.
Also, P7 gives you both flat 5's. It would make sense that if you can put your foot on P8 and still engage RKL, you might be able to have your right foot on P7 as well. Then, the sometimes awkward vertical wouldn't be necessary.
I've only ever had 3 pedals, so it's hard to imagine what having more is like.
LAST EDIT: Icing on the rock and blues cake would have been a single way to raise both bottom B's to C#. Still dreamin' on this one.
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Cameron Fulp
From:
Lindale Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 9:36 pm
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| Jay Coover wrote: |
Another clue this is built for blues...you can essentially strum the bottom 5 strings and slide them around (and palm mute, not block, when needed) much like a delta blues guitar player. Can't do that on a standard E9 (extended or otherwise) setup.
Also, P7 gives you both flat 5's. It would make sense that if you can put your foot on P8 and still engage RKL, you might be able to have your right foot on P7 as well. Then, the sometimes awkward vertical wouldn't be necessary.
I've only ever had 3 pedals, so it's hard to imagine what having more is like.
LAST EDIT: Icing on the rock and blues cake would have been a single way to raise both bottom B's to C#. Still dreamin' on this one. |
Thanks for all your input Jay, this tuning really is amazing ...very versatile , I’m getting better everyday at my theory , thanks to the input by you guys here at the forum. Blues/Jazz comes so easy on this tuning , especially with these things mentioned . Thank you all |
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Cameron Fulp
From:
Lindale Texas, USA
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Posted 19 Dec 2018 9:38 pm
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| I’m now beginning to work on some jazz progressions , any suggestions on patterns you guys can throw at me I will try ...I am completely new to uni/c6th but like I said above this tuning is blowing my mind . |
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Pete Burak
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Portland, OR USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2018 9:50 am
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At about 3:09 of this vid Cowboy appears to squeeze RKL and LKR tightly together for what sounds to me like a 5(7th) chord.
The passage starts just after the 3min mark.
He plays a diminished walk-up using LKL, and 3minor to 2minor walk-down using RKR, then he slams LKR+RKL together.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpXY-2Aj6NA
Honestly I would "watch and listen" to as many Cowboy videos as I could and see how he uses this copedants various pedal/levers to get various chords/licks. |
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