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Garry Vanderlinde
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CA
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Posted 13 Jun 2005 7:09 am |
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| Anyone ever heard of a '70's Emmons 12-string called the "Banshee"? |
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Jay Fagerlie
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Lotus, California, USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2005 7:21 am
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I saw that also and was wondering the same thing.....
I wonder why he couldn't get the pedals to work?
Is he missing the rods?
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Garry Vanderlinde
From:
CA
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Posted 13 Jun 2005 7:43 am
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I've never seen an Emmons pick-up like that. Is it original?
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bob grossman
From:
Visalia CA USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2005 7:51 am
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| I think there was a "Banshee" guitar built by a Joe Babirad in the Northeast. I heard - don't know where- that he was a very good player also. |
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 13 Jun 2005 7:52 am
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| The fretboard and name "Banshee" were made by John Babirad in Lnydhurst.NJ in late 70's..he built the pedal steels himself.I helped and designed the fretboards(photo-etched aluminum)I played a single 12 extended E9 of his from 77-80 when I switched back to D10s.Johnpassed away in '85...JS |
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Ron !
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Posted 13 Jun 2005 8:27 am
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I bid three or four times but got outbid everytime.It reached $700 without taking my bid.And it has some days to go so I will watch it.See how far it goes.
However this baby needs alot of work.
Ron |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 13 Jun 2005 9:34 am
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John,,I remember you mentioning Babirad a few times.. YEARS ago.. its funny, I lived in Lyndhurst all that time and didn't know him..
I never remember you playing anything but a D 10 Emmons[think you had a Bud too], but I do remember the name Banshee. It was SO long ago... You always played the hell out of ANY steel guitar I ever saw you use! In those days a lot of us Jersey steel players were in a wierd "rotation", playing with the same guys, same clubs, etc.. One guy quits, another is plugged in with no rehearsal, etc.. You and I played in a few of the same bands at different times.. Always a step back when I was hired in your place!!..  .. be well! bob |
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Garry Vanderlinde
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Ron !
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Posted 20 Jun 2005 11:03 pm
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Erv???
Not againnnnnnn......... 
$1376?Hmmmmm makes you wonder how much "Old Ugly" is worth?With this new cabinet,aluminum neck,new tuners and completely rebuild....must be more than $1376.
Erv my friend.Congratulations.Send me a couple pics.You know my mail address.
Ron[This message was edited by Ronald Steenwijk on 21 June 2005 at 12:08 AM.] |
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CrowBear Schmitt
From:
Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France
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Posted 21 Jun 2005 12:00 am
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yep ! there is an Emmons museum showroom, cultural & holy center in Minnesnowta.
for those in the area, don't pass up on the lutefisk & psalms.
open year round, especially in winter
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2005 6:40 am
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Thanks guys!
You all know that I suffer from terminal GAS (Guitar Acquisition Syndrome)!
I really don't know what I am going to be doing with this guitar. I have never seen a single neck with SO many pedals. (Despite what the owner says it sure looks to me like it has 9 foot pedals)
I'm kind of planning to strip it down to 4 foot pedals and 5 knee levers and using the extra parts on some other push/pulls I have accumulated.
It's kind of embarrassing to admit it, but with the Banshee, I now have 8 Emmons push/pull guitars. Their birthdays vary from 1967 to 2005. 
Erv[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 21 June 2005 at 09:48 AM.] |
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Posted 21 Jun 2005 7:01 am
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David Doggett
From:
Bawl'mer, MD (formerly of MS, Nawluns, Gnashville, Knocksville, Lost Angeles, Bahsten. and Philly)
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Posted 21 Jun 2005 7:34 am
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| Erv, it looks to me like an S12 universal with 9 and 5. It's loaded, man. You got an incredible bargain. Emmons only made a few p/p S12 extended E9s, and I don't think they ever made a universal. A few people have added the extra pedals and levers on their own to convert an Ext. E9 to an E9/B6 universal (Larry Bell has one). They are extremely rare and in great demand. Ext. E9 P/Ps are also rare, but a little more common. It would seem a shame to strip this universal back to an ext. E9. It looks like it is all there and in place for a universal. If you can clean that thing up and get it all adjusted well, you will have an extremely rare and sought after item worth two or three times what you paid. Since it looks like it is all Emmons parts, I think most people would prefer it with an Emmons fret board, and either an Emmons or a Truetone pickup. [This message was edited by David Doggett on 21 June 2005 at 08:42 AM.] |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 21 Jun 2005 7:58 am
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David,
I think you're right. I maybe will leave it as it is with all the pedals intact. Bobbe Seymour has an Emmons p/p 12 stringer on his site now that he's asking about $1,000 more than I paid for this one.
The Banshee looks like it needs some cleaning up and, if I can find one, I'll maybe put an Emmons 12 string fretboard on it along with an different pickup. I'll know more after it shows up.
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Al Marcus
From:
Cedar Springs,MI USA (deceased)
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Posted 21 Jun 2005 12:22 pm
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Erv- Yes, your are right there and good that you dont mind the work. It does need cleaning up to get that bar smoke, etc off.
I am glad you have decided to leave the pedals on. You don't have to PLAY the extra ones , and it will be worth more that way.
I can't understand why a guy will take a perfectly good D10 and strip it and make it a SD 10. It just doesnt make any sense. All he has to do is put a towel over the C6 neck and play like a SD10.
On a S12 why take some pedals off to make a E9 S10. Just play the 3 pedal E9 side and forget the rest if you want.
Do not destroy a good used guitar. Bobbe Seymour can tell you all about why you shouldn't....al
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My Website..... www.cmedic.net/~almarcus/
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 22 Jun 2005 6:50 am
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If you look at the pictures, the control panel is different. It looks like Gibson control knobs have been added to, what do you think, volume and tone controls?
Also there are a couple of buttons to the right of these controls. Do you spose the pickup has taps on it for differenct sounds?
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 29 Jun 2005 6:41 am
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I got my "Banshee" yesterday. It is all complete with 9 foot pedals and 5 knee levers. All the pedal pull rods are there too. However, it needs a lot of cleaning up. Everything under the hood is kind of "greasy" and "gunky". The control panel sure has a bunch of extra stuff too; a chicken head knob with a bunch of positions, two round knobs and two toggle switches. I have no idea what they're all for. Also, it has two output jacks. I wonder if it is set up for stereo. Didn't Emmons sell a stereo guitar at one time? I think I remember a brochure with Buddy Emmons on it sitting behind a stereo Emmons. I believe the guitar will require a complete disassembly and I plan to put it back together as close to an original Emmons as possible. Oh by the way, the serial number stamped on the changer end casting is: #158 S 12
Could anybody put a birth date on this guitar?
Erv[This message was edited by Erv Niehaus on 29 June 2005 at 07:50 AM.] |
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Erv Niehaus
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Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 1 Jul 2005 6:23 am
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 4 Oct 2005 6:26 am
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Just an update on this old posting. I have completely gone throught this old "Banshee" and restored it to the original Emmons p/p that it started out as. I am not a universal player so have it set up, at present, as an extended E9th. However, I have all the parts to add pedals and levers for a universal at a later date.
I took this guitar completely apart and even reflocked the bottom. I got all the parts I needed from the Lashleys including a new single coil pickup, aluminum neck and fretboard.
Everything underneath is original Emmons p/p and looks great. I will be taking some pictures taken soon and will get them posted on here. 
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