Another one bites the dust

Jack Hanson · From: San Luis Valley, USA

Gibson Brands, Inc. filed for bankruptcy protection this morning in Nashville. Guess all it takes is a Harvard MBA to run a great brand name into the ground.

C'est la vie.

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

We saw that coming last fall. They axed the music electronics GURU Craig Anderton and then abruptly shut down Cakewalk Sonar (recording program). There were other signs such as selling off buildings, closing production facilities, etc.

Someone will step in and at least buy the Gibson brand apart from the other brands they still have.

Cakewalk Sonar was purchased by BandLab about 2 months ago. They also hired two of the senior Sonar staff to continue with Sonar. It is now rebranded as "Cakewalk by Bandlab".

Mark Eaton · Posted 1 May 2018 8:12 am

They won't be biting the dust, it's Chapter 11 bankruptcy reorganization.

It will be a different company after the process is completed but it's very unlikely that it is going away.
_________________
Mark

Chris Templeton · From: The Green Mountain State

Here's an article about Gibson and It's foray into "musical lifestyle": https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-01/gibson-files-for-bankruptcy-with-deal-to-renew-guitar-business
_________________
Excel 3/4 Pedal With An 8 String Hawaiian Neck, Sierra Tapper (10 string with a raised fretboard to fret with fingers), Single neck Fessenden 3/5
"The Tapper" : https://christophertempleton.bandcamp.com/album/the-tapper
Soundcloud Playlist: https://soundcloud.com/bluespruce8:

Brooks Montgomery · From: Idaho, USA

Another company that was led astray by focusing on lifestyle and blue sky make-believe equity instead of the hard goods that the logo goes on.
_________________
A banjo, like a pet monkey, seems like a good idea at first.

Tucker Jackson · From: Portland, Oregon, USA

And while attributing the cause there's the elephant in the room: young people don't buy guitars at the rate they once did... because popular music has changed. All the guitar manufacturers are concerned. I expect this will not turn out to be a Gibson-only issue.

"In the past decade, electric guitar sales have plummeted, from about 1.5 million sold annually to just over 1 million. The two biggest companies, Gibson and Fender, are in debt, and a third, PRS Guitars, had to cut staff and expand production of cheaper guitars. In April, Moodyâ€™s downgraded Guitar Center, the largest chain retailer, as it faces $1.6 billion in debt. And at Sweetwater.com, the online retailer, a brand-new, interest-free Fender can be had for as little as $8 a month."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/lifestyle/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar/

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Sign of the times, I guess. Who needs a guitar when you've got a smart-phone?

Laughing

Barry Blackwood · Posted 2 May 2018 6:33 am

Dave Mudgett · From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee

The current Gibson management took them over in the mid-80s and brought them back from the precipice for the next 15-20 years. I think it was a 2nd golden age for them. In my opinion, they lost their way after that. The usual conglomerate story - they lost appreciation for what made them good, which was primarily their workers and dealers, as well as designs that have stood the test of time when properly executed. They especially started jettisoning dealers in the mid-2000s, to the point where it's now hard to find new Gibsons sold anywhere but big-box/online stores. They made dubious "investments" in all these "lifestyle" products, and generally lost their core vision, IMO.

This is just the same nonsense that happened with American businesses in the 70s and early 80s. People with vision that know how to make things start a business, then beancounters and marketeers appropriate the vision and start doing, IMO, stupid stuff. Crash, burn, and then someone else takes over if there's something at the core worth saving. I think Gibson has that something. Hopefully, someone with an intact, clear vision for a core business will take over.

As far as guitars being dead - again, the suits wring their hands whining about a drop in annual guitar sales from 1.5 million to 1.0 million and how everything is going to hell. The problem is that there are and have been too many guitars and related stuff like amps and effects being built in a bubble of lofty predictions. This is not new. When synths started their initial attack in the early 80s, similar predictions were made. We'll see. There's been an overall consolidation going on for the last 10 years, since the grand-recession started in 2008. But I think smart operators should have no problem finding a robust market if they scale to the right price/volume point and do things right. I know lots of dealers out there who would love to have new Gibsons if they made sense.

Look at Rickenbacker as an example. They have scaled their business increases modestly to handle an overall long-term increase in demand, but never bought into the grandiose ideas that some others did. They have somewhat more demand than they can supply, a relatively small but loyal dealer network (just try to get a Rick dealership, it's just about impossible), and a loyal customer base who will pay for a good guitar. Their current guitars are about the same as they ever were - excellent - and they maintain their value. They never lost their vision.

IMO, this is all Basic Business 101.

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Personally, I don't see it as a serious situation. Companies, big and small, sometimes come and go. (Even ones that I've worked for!) There's no more Packard, no more Studebaker, and no more Hudson, just to name a few. But good cars (and guitars) are still available, and at a price for every pocketbook.

Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

What Dave said .

Gibson has been in and out of all sorts of financial and distribution trouble for at least the last 20 years. They have made some superb products during that time, but that has absolutely nothing to do with a company's financial position. The industry has seen hundreds of companies make superb products yet be run into nothingness.

Reports that they will be "out of bankruptcy by September" are nothing but guesses/rumors at this point. There are also stories circulating that several major Chinese instrument concerns are heavily pursuing them.
_________________
No chops, but great tone
1930's/40's Rickenbacher/Rickenbacker 6&8 string lap steels
1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional

Barry Blackwood · Posted 5 May 2018 8:08 am

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/may/04/gibson-guitar-bankruptcy-ed-sheeran-martin

David Cubbedge · From: Toledo,Ohio, USA

I used to have a boss who told me that MBA was a four letter word.....
_________________
Red Emmons D10 fatback #2246D with sweet Hugh Briley split cases, Black Emmons S10 #1466S, '73 Fender "Snakeskin" Twin Reverb, Peavey Nashville 400, Line 6 Pod XT, Fender 400, Fender Stringmaster Double-8, too many guitars, one bass!

Ben Elder · From: La Crescenta, California, USA

A friend of mine is a store owner and warranty repair guy for Gibson (and other brands). A recent experience:

"Gibson sent me a $20 check for a warranty repair and after I deposited it they declared bankruptcy and stopped payment on my check! I'm sure that $20 is going to go a long way to paying back their half billion dollar debt."
_________________
"Gopher, Everett?"

Dustin Rhodes · From: Owasso OK

Dustin Rhodes · From: Owasso OK

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Damir Besic · From: Nashville,TN.

greed and oversaturated markets... we have abundance of everything just look around... I work at Nissan , and Nissan Altima sales are down 50% overall production is down 30% ... we are making too much of everything... there is only so many people to sell guitars to, and all other things... those big corporations priority is profit, they will lower the quality, just to lower the price to be able to sell more, and more and more ...
_________________
www.steelguitarsonline.com