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Bobby Nelson
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Posted 20 May 2018 2:05 am |
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I've seen this version of Rose City Chimes credited to Buddy Emmons in several different places. Is this not Bobby Garrett? There is an old record of Hank Thompson playing at a rodeo, in which Bobby Garrett plays it, pretty much note for note.
https://youtu.be/K1e9uzm8hqI |
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Walter Stettner
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Vienna, Austria
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Posted 20 May 2018 5:33 am
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Isn't this the version of ET's Troubadours, from the "Midnight Jamboree Album?
Kind Regards, Walter
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
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Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 20 May 2018 5:41 am
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Bobby Garret is credited for writing Rose
city Chimes.
Buddy also recorded it. Buddy played lead guitar with Ernest Tubb for a while. Bobby played steel. When Bobby left to go with Hank Thompson Buddy took over as steel player for Ernest Tubb. When Buddy left to go with Ray Price, Buddy Charleton took over as Tubb's steel player. |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Posted 20 May 2018 7:11 am
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I think Walt is correct. It is the same as this video. Although the photo is apparently a stock one with Charleton, the comments credit Emmons on the cut there. https://youtu.be/TsXsICUDd4Y
Interestingly, I saw Bobby Garrett at the ISGC in St. Louis. He had several requests to do Rose City Chimes, but he stated he didn't have the proper tuning on his guitar for it. I don't know if he had abandoned the tuning or was playing a borrowed guitar or what.
I just found it curious that he wouldn't be able to play the tune that he may have been the most famous for at least among steel guitar enthusiasts. |
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Barry Blackwood
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Posted 20 May 2018 7:31 am
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| The version I remember as the original had Bobby Garrett with Johnny Gimble. Only my opinion, it has been often duplicated but never equalled.... |
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Mitch Drumm
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Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Bobby Nelson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 20 May 2018 8:35 am
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OK, so this is Buddy Emmons. The Troubadours album was a little confusing between credits and liner notes.
Thanks Mitch for the original - the steel playing is almost note for note but, the rest is a little different.
Jerry, he may have forgotten, or gotten too out of shape to play it that night.
Here is Bobby's version with Hank Thompson.
https://youtu.be/kodpRuNUueY |
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Chris Templeton
From:
The Green Mountain State
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Mitch Drumm
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Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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robert kramer
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Nashville TN
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Bobby Nelson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 20 May 2018 1:08 pm
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| Great stuff guys! Man was this guy good! Does anybody know who played guitar on the original? The guy smokes. |
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Joe Goldmark
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San Francisco, CA 94131
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Posted 20 May 2018 4:51 pm
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Love that Longhorn version. You can hear the Dual Showman that he played through on those low "rave up" boogie lines. What a great, great player!
Joe |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 20 May 2018 5:38 pm
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| Bobby Nelson wrote: |
| Great stuff guys! Man was this guy good! Does anybody know who played guitar on the original? The guy smokes. |
Might it be Merle Travis? I saw somewhere that he was playing with one of the bands that Bobby Garrett was with around that time. |
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Mitch Drumm
From:
Frostbite Falls, hard by Veronica Lake
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Posted 20 May 2018 6:11 pm
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| Jerry Overstreet wrote: |
| Bobby Nelson wrote: |
| Great stuff guys! Man was this guy good! Does anybody know who played guitar on the original? The guy smokes. |
Might it be Merle Travis? I saw somewhere that he was playing with one of the bands that Bobby Garrett was with around that time. |
I think the original Trophy version was cut in Tyler TX in a small studio.
Could it be Garrett himself, overdubbing? Wasn't he known to use thumb-style on steel?
I have no idea if he ever touched a standard guitar.
Travis and Garrett both recorded with the Hank Thompson band, but I wouldn't have any reason to think Travis would be in Tyler TX in 1958.
Leo Jackson and Garrett were known to have recorded together in 1956 a few miles down the road from Tyler in Ruston, LA--backing up Jimmy Simpson.
Was Leo ever known to play in a Travis style with Reeves or anyone else? |
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Jerry Overstreet
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Posted 20 May 2018 7:29 pm
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| Well yeah on subsequent listening, I hear some licks that might be bar bounces during that segment. I had heard that Bobby did play thumb style on steel but I had forgotten that, so I don't know. I suspect someone around here does though and we'll find out sooner or later. |
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Jeff Evans
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Cowtown and The Bill Cox Outfit
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Posted 21 May 2018 5:44 am
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Yes. The harmony there adds quite a bit, too, doesn't it.
Last edited by Jeff Evans on 22 May 2018 6:18 am; edited 1 time in total |
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robert kramer
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Posted 21 May 2018 9:39 am
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The Longhorn side sounds like they were inspired by the Les Paul & Mary Ford records except Bobby Garrett can do more with his steel guitar than even Les Paul can do on standard guitar. I always understood it was Bobby Garrett who came up with thumb style on steel which Emmons learned and used it on cuts like "Buddie's Boogie" - Ferlin's "I Hear Little Rock Calling" and then "Plus Nine" and the endings of live versions of "S.S. Cool."
Bobby Garrett w/ Leo Jackson (from Jim Loessberg web site)
On the ET band:
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Jim Bob Sedgwick
From:
Clinton, Missouri USA
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Posted 21 May 2018 4:59 pm
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On the Cheyenne Days cut, Roy Clark played the lead guitar.
This album was cut live at the Cheyenne days rodeo. |
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Herb Steiner
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Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 21 May 2018 5:41 pm
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The smokin' solo on the original Trophy cut was Johnny Gimble on the electric mandolin. I've complimented Johnny many times about that solo, and he acknowledged it was a good one. 
I'd heard all the RCC versions except the Longhorn cut, until now. Now that one's my favorite. The arpeggiated chimes at :55 to :57 ? And the boogie solo?! Sick! Bobby was at his technical peak at that time, I think.
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Chance Wilson
From:
California, USA
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Posted 22 May 2018 10:44 am
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| I have never been more impassioned than I was the time I was messing around on an electric mandolin & Gimble sat down across from me. He took me on the ride of my life with his Gibson. A lot of good stuff comes from California, but hot mandolin comes from Texas. |
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Wally Moyers
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Lubbock, Texas
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Posted 22 May 2018 2:32 pm
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| I knew Bobby pretty well back in the 80s when he lived here in Lubbock for awhile. That’s him playing the Merle Travis sounding solo on C6.. . That’s was one of his trademark solos. He actual taught my dad that solo in my dads music room.. This version sounds like Bobby to me.. He was a great guy and masterful player... |
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Bobby Nelson
From:
North Carolina, USA
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Posted 22 May 2018 3:37 pm
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| Electric mandolin huh? Wow. |
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John Swain
From:
Winchester, Va
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Posted 24 May 2018 9:56 am
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| Herb, that Longhorn cut sounds like Bb. What type of tuning was he playing on? |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 24 May 2018 10:37 am
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The Hank Thompson Band tuned to Bb. The first string on Bobby's 11 or 12 string tuning was a G, the 6th tone of Bb, which is how he got the correct chime lick at the 12th fret.
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My rig: Infinity and Telonics.
Son, we live in a world with walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with steel guitars. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Weinberg? |
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John Swain
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Winchester, Va
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Posted 24 May 2018 2:37 pm
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| Thank you Herb, I guess an A on top of my C6 would be pushing it, but I'd love to play it his way. I used to play this on my 12 string E9 universal in A. |
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