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Topic: Wolf's Half Stop |
Tom Campbell
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Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 1 May 2018 9:34 am |
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Where can Wolf's "half-stop" be purchased...are they still being made?
I've never hear of them before. I saw one on the "Sierra" topic posted be b0b.
Thanks for any info. |
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Larry Allen
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Posted 1 May 2018 4:12 pm
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I emailed Wolf to order (address on the forum steel builders)...I use 4 now, all on different steels, a great upgrade, Larry
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 1 May 2018 6:24 pm
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Thanks for the information.
Appears on the website 90.00 euros is about $108.00 US dollars. |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 1 May 2018 9:13 pm
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About the same 10 years ago 
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 2 May 2018 10:10 am
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I believe that Swiss builder Schild was the first to come up with that general design concept, the ball bearing stop. They sell them too.
It's a pretty simple design concept, would be easy to build one with just a drill press, a tap and a little patience. |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 2 May 2018 11:13 am
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If your guitar has SPLITS... this is not necessary, at the risk of being ridiculed..string 2 can be tuned precisely and the “feel stop†can be enhanced by increasing tension on 9s lower return..So adding another spring to fight seems senseless..
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Greg Cutshaw
From:
Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 2 May 2018 11:18 am
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| That's how I am doing my guitar now Mickey and it's pretty decent. It just appears that this stop mechanism would be even more positive and easier to adjust. |
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 2 May 2018 11:39 am
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| Mickey Adams wrote: |
| If your guitar has SPLITS... this is not necessary, at the risk of being ridiculed..string 2 can be tuned precisely and the “feel stop†can be enhanced by increasing tension on 9s lower return..So adding another spring to fight seems senseless.. |
Necessary is relative. This concept isn't about adding more tension to create the intermediate feel stop. It's creates a detent, a click-stop so that the feel of the intermediate stop point is very precise. Extra tension to push beyond that stop point is optional, at the discretion of the user. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 2 May 2018 11:49 am
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I agree with Mickey; however, I believe I remember reading somewhere that there is an added benefit provided by this type of device.
You can feel the half-stop on the way UP from the lowered note.
I THINK I remember reading that.  |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 2 May 2018 1:03 pm
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Id like to see some better pics and see one in action ...looks pretty cool..but it looks like another stop with a plunger, which has a spring in it???..Larry can you do an iphone video of it in action????....that'd be educational!!
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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Posted 2 May 2018 1:48 pm
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Yes, you would feel the intermediate stop point in both directions. I found the old post where I first learned about this idea, it's here: https://bb.steelguitarforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1711256#1711256
This image is from that post:
The WBS unit linked above does not connect to a bell crank like this (or like a traditional spring half-stop), so it requires an internal return spring to push the plunger back to the '0' position when the lever is released. The one currently shown on the Schild website is more compact but basically the same as the WBS unit.
If the plunger is directly connected to a bell crank like the diagram above, then the string and/or lower return spring tension will pull it back to open position. It need not have any additional spring tension. In this case the little block would probably need to be mounted at only one point so it can pivot slightly to allow the plunger angle to vary slightly or it could potentially bind as the bell crank sweeps. This is basically how a traditional spring/rod half-stop functions.
It can be tuned/timed to correspond precisely with the feel stop when 9 engages if that is all the resistance you need or want. You can always add more to give a firmer feel if you want. |
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Dave Little
From:
Atlanta
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Posted 2 May 2018 2:00 pm
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I bought one of these from somebody (don't remember who) several years ago. It uses a ball nose spring plunger https://www.mcmaster.com/#ball-springs/=1co69se
Mine had a tiny ball and was too small for the application. Very, very finiky. The one I got might have been a "work in progress". I thought about making one with a bigger ball, but never got around to it. Micky's method works just fine - Not as precise but I've got a good ear! |
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Tom Campbell
From:
Houston, Texas, USA
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Posted 2 May 2018 3:31 pm
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| I imagine one of these could be installed on the A pedal to indicate the C (coming and going) to the full pedal down C#. |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 2 May 2018 3:46 pm
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Hi Mickey, I'm not a computer guy. If I can get the bass player to record it I'll send it to you somehow...The main advantage (I use it on RKL, on 4 & 8, E-Eb-D )is the stop is positive, both to the 1st & 2nd stops and, going back from D + Eb...no ball bearing/ spring mid stop, just 2 bullet head Allen screws, adjustable pressure balancing them. Larry
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 2 May 2018 4:58 pm
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Hope it comes thru Mickey, I sent to your jet drivr email, Larry
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Ian Worley
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Sacramento, CA
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Posted 2 May 2018 7:07 pm
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| Larry Allen wrote: |
| ...no ball bearing/ spring mid stop, just 2 bullet head Allen screws, adjustable pressure balancing them... |
The ball and spring are captive inside the tip of the allen screw. This is what Dave L described above:
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 2 May 2018 9:27 pm
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There are no balls/spring in his later models..just 2 bullet headed Allen screws that just stop it in the groove. The shaft with the groove is smaller in diameter and ride on the bullet heads ...you snug up the bottom screw and then fine tune the stop with the top one. This is adjustable to your liking. Larry
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 3 May 2018 3:36 am
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| Lee Baucum wrote: |
I agree with Mickey; however, I believe I remember reading somewhere that there is an added benefit provided by this type of device.
You can feel the half-stop on the way UP from the lowered note.
I THINK I remember reading that. |
I guess I did read that somewhere!
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mtulbert
From:
Plano, Texas 75023
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Posted 3 May 2018 4:55 am
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What worked for me on the half stop of the second string is this.
Working on Venus Moon, coming back to the half lower from the full lower was very frustrating. I could hit it about 60% of the time and when you miss, it sounds terrible. So what is the solution?
If you have a lever that raises the 1st and 2nd string to G# and E and if it is on the left knee, set up a split tuning with the 2nd string full drop to get the 1/2 drop when both levers are engaged. Works great and is reliable. You do not give up the feel stop either.There are times in Venus Moon where you need the 1/2 drop with just the lever as well.
Probably not a solution for everybody, but it did work for me.
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David Sheads
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 3 May 2018 5:50 am
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are these something the slightly-smarter-than-the-average-bear can install by himself? it looks like they're completely separate from the pull mechanism and just attach to the lever so that it produces a "click" or "feel" at the right spot for proper intonation?
sorry for my lack of basic background knowledge - i'm just starting to explore how i'd like to customize my first steel - these undercarriage mechanisms are foreboding as all-get-out when you're just starting out! |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 3 May 2018 10:34 am
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Very cool!
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Brint Hannay
From:
Maryland, USA
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Posted 3 May 2018 10:39 am
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| If this device provides a "click stop" detent, does that not make a smooth whole step bend with no "bump" difficult or impossible? |
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 3 May 2018 10:47 am
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Brint, the whole note bend is smooth, depends on how stiff you want the 1/2 stop, varies with different players' leg strength..Larry
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Larry Allen
From:
Kapaa, Kauai,Hawaii
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Posted 3 May 2018 5:44 pm
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Go to the WBS website, click on English, Click on Realstop for his explanation and pics, Larry 
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