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Topic: Help with tuning.... hindustani guitar |
Tom Margulies
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Oregon, USA
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Posted 11 Sep 2015 6:13 pm |
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Where could I find tuning schemes for a chaturangui?
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Jamie Mitchell
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Posted 12 Sep 2015 7:26 am
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hey Tom,
idk if this helps, but I think most of the Hindustani guitar stuff is Pa Sa Pa Sa, lo to hi. I think Debashish might use Sa Pa Sa Ga Pa Sa for one of his guitars.
on a regular 6-string, you can then take the two bottom strings off and replace them w/ plain strings, Sa and Pa, for the chikari strings.
when I was studying, I initially started w/ Sa Pa Sa Ma, like a sarod or sitar tuning, but I haven't been able to find evidence of anyone else doing that on a guitar, and I've searched a good bit for it.
I'd love to get a legit Hindustani axe one day...
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Michael Maddex
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Northern New Mexico, USA
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Sep 2015 12:15 pm
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Jamie Mitchell
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chris ivey
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california (deceased)
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Posted 12 Sep 2015 1:42 pm
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| so they're just tuned to 2 or 3 notes? |
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Jamie Mitchell
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Nashville, TN
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Posted 12 Sep 2015 2:02 pm
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yes. Sa Pa Sa Ga Pa Sa is just open D intervals, tuned to whatever Sa is, usually between C and D.
but, I think it's pretty common to only be using four melody strings, like Brij Bhushan Kabra's tuning, below:
http://www.debashishbhattacharya.com/hindustani-slide-guitar.php
and then the sympathetic strings are tuned to the raga. |
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Mike Babyak
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 9:43 am
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Don't know if there's any interest in this old thread any more. I stumbled across it while searching on something else.
By some miracle, I actually study chaturangui with Debashish.
He uses a number of tunings on the main 6, but the most common are open D (low to high -D A D F# A D, ie S P S G P S) and open D minor (F# changes to F natural, or in the Saregama, G to g). He also uses open G and G minor for some things.
There are only two chikaris on the chaturangui, and they're just D and D'. The bottom drones are both D, and of course the sympathetics depend on the raag.
I also own a Mohan Veena, which is set up differently. Just 3 melody strings and 3 chikaris, along withthe sympathetics.
The three melody strings are usually D A D. VM Bhatt uses a variety of tunings on the chikaris, sometime S N P, S n P, S P G, etc.
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Bob Blair
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Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 11:38 am
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| Thanks for sharing that info Mike! |
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Andy Volk
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Boston, MA
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Mike Babyak
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 12:34 pm
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Debashish has a nice general intro to the chaturangui here. Includes tunings, basic technique, etc.
https://youtu.be/E-qyvjUJQRY
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Nic Neufeld
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 12:50 pm
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Interesting. There's no standardization outside of your teacher and your gharana, really, vs some of the older instruments like sitar and sarod. Mohan veenas and Hansa veenas all vary in setup. I play sitar and surbahar and the main playing string is usually Ma, so adapting to an open sa on the main string would be interesting, although I have done a sort of inversion on surbahar (usually tuned, including chikaris, S'' S' P P ''S 'P S m) where I tune it to C# sa instead of G# sa, tuning something like this: P' P S S ''P 'S 'P S) (never do gandhar chikari on surbahar, too muddy...love it on sitar though!).
If any one wants to take the plunge, I'd recommend Lars of Rain City Music. He has a basic Mohan veena in stock right now it looks like, and he always gets quality instruments.
http://www.raincitymusic.com/mohanveena1.htm
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Mike Babyak
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 1:53 pm
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| Nic Neufeld wrote: |
Interesting. There's no standardization outside of your teacher and your gharana, really, vs some of the older instruments like sitar and sarod. Mohan veenas and Hansa veenas all vary in setup. I play sitar and surbahar and the main playing string is usually Ma, so adapting to an open sa on the main string would be interesting, although I have done a sort of inversion on surbahar (usually tuned, including chikaris, S'' S' P P ''S 'P S m) where I tune it to C# sa instead of G# sa, tuning something like this: P' P S S ''P 'S 'P S) (never do gandhar chikari on surbahar, too muddy...love it on sitar though!).
If any one wants to take the plunge, I'd recommend Lars of Rain City Music. He has a basic Mohan veena in stock right now it looks like, and he always gets quality instruments.
http://www.raincitymusic.com/mohanveena1.htm |
Yeah, I think the lack of standardization is a reflection of the relative newness of applying slide to Hindustani music compared to sarod or sitar--about 60-70 years vs at least a few hundred years. There are at least 5 or 6 variations on the instrument that I know of, probably more
Chaturangui (Debashish Bhattacharya)
Mohan veena (VM Bhatt, whose son Salil plays one with an additional melody string)
Hansa veena (Barun Kumar Pal)
Kachhapi veena (Chakrapani Singh)
Shankar guitar (Kamala Shankar)
And of course Brij Bhushan Kabra, the great pioneer of slide in Hindustani music, played a Gibson Super 400, with only slight modification. |
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Nic Neufeld
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Kansas City, Missouri
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 5:11 pm
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There is also the vichitra veena. Not exactly slide guitar, but in the ballpark! Dhrupad is of course not the most easily digestible music compared to khayal for the newly initiated. Takes a very patient, attentive ear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdaTBhk6MiQ
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Mike Babyak
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 6:19 pm
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| Nic Neufeld wrote: |
There is also the vichitra veena. Not exactly slide guitar, but in the ballpark! Dhrupad is of course not the most easily digestible music compared to khayal for the newly initiated. Takes a very patient, attentive ear.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdaTBhk6MiQ |
Yeah, that’s the great great granddaddy of all of them. The Carnatic version supposedly dates back a couple thousand years! |
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Mike Babyak
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North Carolina, USA
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Ashoke kumar Das
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West Bengal, India
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Posted 12 Mar 2018 10:22 pm Help the tunning....... Hindustani chaturangi
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Well,usually this tunning on six string base.
Lo to Hi EBEG#BE (1st 5th 1st 3rd 5th 1st).
And any indian Rag consist minor 3rd in a scale,
Then the 3rd note will be flated(EBEGBE).
Besides there are more tunning option to be used.
Thanks.Ashoke. |
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Mike Babyak
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North Carolina, USA
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Posted 20 Mar 2018 11:19 pm
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A nice recent interview with Debashish, including some detail on the history of the instrument and technique he uses.
https://youtu.be/Y75tZC_ML1k |
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