Fender 2000?

Dave Zirbel · From: Sebastopol, CA USA

I recently bought what I believe to be a Fender 2000. It's beat up pretty bad, I got it for parts to fix up my 400. It's a D-10 with the rocking cam changer but it is a single raise/lower. It has the older stamped style pedals that my 400 has but does not have the Fender logo on them, or anywhere on the guitar including the tuning pans and the plates. Underneath the guitar I can still see some of the tobacco sunburst that didn't get covered up with black spraypaint. The parts underneath sure look Fender to me.

Did the Fender 2000s evolve? Is this a prototype, or even a copy? I thought the 2000 would have the black cast pedals and a double raise/lower changer.

I'm not sore or bent about it. The parts will work great and the price was right. I'm just curious what I have and I'm slow at work today so I thought I would do a post or two.

Thanks-Dave

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Hmmm...very strange. The 800 and 2000 supposedly had the double raise/lower changers when they were introduced back in the summer of '64! Perhaps our resident expert Jody can shed some light on that situaion (maybe it was a prototype?), or maybe someone just did some "swapping"?

But...that would be a lot of time and trouble, but then again, maybe not.

Dave Zirbel · From: Sebastopol, CA USA

Donny, is it odd that the word Fender does not appear anywhere on the guitar? Tuning pans, bridge plates, pedals? I can understand the decals being peeled off and painted over.

Dave

Tom Olson · From: Spokane, WA

Dave, I wonder if the guitar could be a "CARVIN" brand steel. Carvin made psg's back in the 60's that were VERY similar to the Fender psg's.

Just a thought.

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Yes, very odd. That the tuning pans and bridge-plates don't have "Fender" on them is easily explained, but those pedals...that's another matter entirely! Once again, we'll have to hope that Jody can answer that one.

I think the Fender folks (and everybody else, as well), should take a long look at the Carvin website!

They might learn something.

The Carvin steels used similar cables and a similar frame, but the rest of the (rather clunky) guitar was strictly Carvin.

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Dave Zirbel · From: Sebastopol, CA USA

Carvin made cable guitars with the metal frames and wooden pedal racks? I remember seeing a Carvin years ago and I don't remember it looking like the one I have, but maybe mine is older, if it is a Carvin. Someone must have a pictures somewhere.

Thanks, Dave

Jack Stoner · From: Kansas City, MO

Maybe it's something that someone made from various parts, including Fender parts?

I had a 1969 model Fender 2000. It wasn't like what you describe.

Dave Zirbel · From: Sebastopol, CA USA

I don't think it is a Carvin. I just checked here.The frames look similar and the underbelly looks similar as well but the pickups, pedal, tuners and changer are definitly not Carvin.

I think it is a Franken-Fender but I'm baffled with the changer being a 10 string with only a single rise/lower, and the missing logos. The pickups are the skinny but have the chrome casings around them, which doesn't seem stock either.

DZ

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Jerry Hayes · From: Virginia Beach, Va.

Dave, it could be a rebuilt Fender 1000 converted to a D-10. Blackie Taylor in SoCal has a Fender 400 which was converted to a 12 string by he and Gene Fields in the sixties. It looks just like it came from the factory like that. I knew another player out there named Paul Barfels who had the same thing done to his 400 so someone in the know could easily have converted a 1000 into a D-10. I don't know where Sebastapol is in Calif. but if you're ever in Riverside, just go by Blackie's music store and look at his 12 string 400 to see if there are some similarities in the mechanics, maybe Gene built your's too. If you email him at GFI he might be able to shed some light on it.........JH in Va.

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Jim Sliff · From: Lawndale California, USA

I second Jerry on checking with Blackie or Gene. Blackie did lots of Fender mods.

But - I swear I saw a Carvin that fits that description a long time ago. I really have to vote Carvin on this one. But if it is a Carvin and some of the parts are interchangeable, that's good to know.

Jody Carver · From: KNIGHT OF FENDER TWEED

From what I can tell,that steel has a Fender
1000 frame,the pickups are NOT Fender. I saw one at the factory years back being modified
by one of the Fender service people.

The bridge is NOT Fender. The pedals are not Fender.The Tuning pan is NOT Fender. Its NOT
a Fender per say but I have to say it can fool anyone.

[This message was edited by Jody Carver on 18 August 2005 at 06:55 PM.]

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

I must have missed something. Do you have pictures of this guitar posted somewhere, Dave?

Jody Carver · From: KNIGHT OF FENDER TWEED

Donny.
You are too modest,you know as much about Fender guitars as I do.

dont give me more credit than I deserve.

But thanks anyway.

Jody.

Dave Zirbel · From: Sebastopol, CA USA

Sorry-no pics. I don't have a digital camera. Hard to believe someone went to a lot of trouble to copy a Fender. Why not just buy one?

Donny, sounds the fact that the Fender logo does not appear anywhere on the guitar was a dead give away for Jody, although the frame, legs, pedal rack(not the pedals)and the wood bodies may be Fender.

Thanks for the replies guys.

Dave

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