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Jeffrey McFadden
From: Missouri, USA
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Posted 22 Feb 2018 10:58 am
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I long played bare fingered, thumb + 3 (includes ring finger.)
I broke down and learned picks this year, but stayed with the thumb + 3.
Looking at Paul Franklin's freebie intro to his course I see that he blocks with his ring finger, no pick. And I do see that most guys use thumb + 2.
Joe Wright uses 4 picks. There are probably others.
Any comments? Opinions?
Thanks. _________________ Well up into mediocrity
I don't play what I'm supposed to.
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Jeffrey McFadden
From: Missouri, USA
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Posted 22 Feb 2018 11:07 am
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b0b wrote: |
I've always used 4. I play with 4-note chord grips fairly often. |
Well now that's comforting! I'm in quality company. Guess I'll stay with it. _________________ Well up into mediocrity
I don't play what I'm supposed to.
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Dave Mudgett
From: Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 22 Feb 2018 12:10 pm
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I started out with picks on thumb, index, and middle. But one day I was hanging out and playing guitar with Bobbe Seymour at his shop, using flat pick and finger picks on middle/ring as I often do. When I donned the thumb pick and pulled off the ring finger pick to switch to steel, he commented that he couldn't understand why I didn't use my ring finger on pedal steel. Unable to give a good reason why I didn't, from that day on, I did.
I guess every approach has advantages and disadvantages, but I find the ring finger useful. Pinching 4-note chords, wide arpeggios, and so on. It's well known that the ring finger is, anatomically, significantly harder to coordinate and get speed on. But if you're already used to it, it strikes me as hard to not use when it's useful. |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Bill Cunningham
From: Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 22 Feb 2018 6:25 pm
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On advice from Maurice Anderson I put a pick on my ring finger about 2003. He said no need to use it until it gets comfortable being there. I don't have a lot of use for it on the E9 but love the fuller chords available on the hobby neck with 4 digits. It gives a different timbre even for chords that can be strummed with three. YMMV. _________________ Bill Cunningham
Atlanta, GA |
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Jim Cohen
From: Philadelphia, PA
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Posted 22 Feb 2018 8:24 pm
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Like Bill, I took Reece's advice to "just wear it and it will eventually find it's way into your playing". But Bill has a 14 year headstart on me, as I only started using it within the past year and it's only now starting to find a role.
I did used to use the tip of my ring finger to block notes played by the second finger but I guess I must be blocking them some other way now - I haven't studied my hand to see how I'm doing it but I think I must have figured out some kind of work-around, since I don't think my blocking is any worse now than it was before.
I guess time will tell... _________________ www.JimCohen.com
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Dave Hopping
From: Aurora, Colorado
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Posted 23 Feb 2018 11:49 am
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Thumb+3 here too.After I went to a U-12 I found lots of places to put bass notes underneath chordal licks. |
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Bill C. Buntin
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Posted 23 Feb 2018 12:36 pm
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I went the opposite way. Reece taught me to use thumb +3 also. I did so for about 2 years. But dropped to Thumb +2 in 1994.
~Bill~ |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 23 Feb 2018 5:01 pm
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b0b wrote: |
I've always used 4. I play with 4-note chord grips fairly often. |
I can say the same, although I haven't been at it near as long as b0b ! When I started studying C6 I couldn't get the hang of pick-two-rake-two so I took what seemed to be the coward's way out but which now turns out to be staunch advice from Mr Anderson!
I soon discovered two uses apart from the four-note grips. First, it's useful for reaching out for the 1st or 2nd string in melodic phrases (I still use thumb and 2nd for 1 & 2 together). Second, because on my uni the 9th string is B, not D, the 6,8,10 chord becomes 6,8,9 (also a common shape on B6) and this is much easier with thumb, 1st and 3rd.
Hope that all makes sense _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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b0b
From: Cloverdale, CA, USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2018 7:06 pm
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Tom Bradshaw recommended 4 picks in his Guitar Player column around the time I started playing. I tried it for a month or so and then thought, "This is silly. I'll never use that extra pick." So I took it off.
To my surprise, I found that every now and then I was picking a string with my ring finger. I've been using 4 picks ever since that revelation 44 years ago. _________________ -𝕓𝕆𝕓- (admin) - Robert P. Lee - Recordings - Breathe - D6th - Video |
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Darvin Willhoite
From: Roxton, Tx. USA
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Posted 23 Feb 2018 8:03 pm
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I use three finger picks and a thumb pick. I almost always use the ring finger on the chromatic strings, and occasionally a four string grip on E9th and C6th. I am totally self taught and it just made sense to use the third finger pick. _________________ Darvin Willhoite
MSA Millennium, Legend, and Studio Pro, Reese's restored Universal Direction guitar, a restored MSA Classic SS, several amps, new and old, and a Kemper Powerhead that I am really liking. Also a Zum D10, a Mullen RP, and a restored Rose S10, named the "Blue Bird". Also, I have acquired and restored the plexiglass D10 MSA Classic that was built as a demo in the early '70s. I also have a '74 lacquer P/P, with wood necks, and a showroom condition Sho-Bud Super Pro. |
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Art Beard
From: Once upon a time out west (deceased)
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Posted 24 Feb 2018 1:27 am Thumb and 3 finger picks
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When i first started, It made more sense to use the 3 finger for larger more full sounding chords. Too me that is. I had some guitar picking *started at 120 and while not a great picker , I now think 3 fingers is the way to go.
CAA _________________ "like an old stallion, lonely for freedom, still trying to out run the wind" Seals,Setser,& Davey.
GAS -1969 ZB D11/10,1974 Sho-Bud D10 Professional,1975 Speedy West S10, 150 yr okd Barn Board tele, Beard signature Gold Tone Dean Acoustic/Electric Bass, Tennessee 12 string Bass, 3 String Shovel.2 Fiddles., Sho-Bud amp, Epiphone valve special amp, Fishman loudbox artist amp. |
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David Wright
From: Pilot Point ,Tx USA.
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Posted 24 Feb 2018 5:11 am
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1970, Jan, Maurice shaped and put 4 picks on me....update.......2018 Feb....all 4 still there....Great Teacher...and Friend..... |
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Len Amaral
From: Rehoboth,MA 02769
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Posted 24 Feb 2018 6:43 am
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Tommy Roots had a VHS tape called 4 X 4 and showed different grips with the 4 picks. As mentioned, Joe Wright uses 4 picks and had an instructional tape showing drills and exercises. I use 4 picks. I feel naked if I am not usin* 4 picks. |
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Mike Perlowin
From: Los Angeles CA
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Posted 24 Feb 2018 6:58 am
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Len Amaral wrote: |
Tommy Roots... |
There's a name we haven't heard in a while.
Tommy made a cassette called Uptown that had a beautiful version of Stardust. This was with live musicians, before he started recording with band in a box.
He was a good guy who left us much too soon. _________________ Please visit my web site and Soundcloud page and listen to the music posted there.
http://www.mikeperlowin.com http://soundcloud.com/mike-perlowin |
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Bob Watson
From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
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Posted 25 Feb 2018 12:29 am
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I used nothing but a thumb pick for the first year on a recommendation from a great local player. After a year he all of a sudden said to use metal finger picks, and he suggested using 3, index, middle and ring. I did that for around 15 years. I lived in Nashville for around ten years and after the first few years of being there I noticed that all of my favorite players only used two finger picks, index and middle. I wasn't using my ring finger much and decided to stop using it. I instantly noticed that I had better technique and tone. I know some people who use a thumb pick and three finger picks that have great tone and technique, but it just didn't work that way for me. |
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Donny Hinson
From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 25 Feb 2018 6:44 am
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I tried 3 finger picks, but the third pick interfered with my harmonics, and sometime tangled (because I tuck that 3rd finger a lot). Sure, I listened to arguments for 3 or 4 finger picks, and could see that they certainly sounded logical. But then...I'd listen to Curly Chalker (with his only 2 finger picks on only 10 strings) and then I'd listen to all the devotees of "more", more picks, and more strings. The final analysis was that - to my ears, nobody played fatter, bigger, and more chords than he did. Nobody emulated that "full sound" better than he did. Players with more picks and strings just didn't do it any better, and the vast majority of them didn't do it nearly as well.
Listen to Curly; maybe you'll agree, and maybe not. I settled on just 2 picks, but firmly believe you can use however many you think you need. |
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Douglas Schuch
From: Valencia, Philippines
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Posted 25 Feb 2018 7:40 am
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I am going to be the oddball here - I use thumb and two fingers (with picks, of course) when playing E9. But I put on another pick when I play C6. I find C6 particularly lends itself to the extended chords.
I use to wear four when playing E9 also, but found I almost never used it. I should try again - sometimes it would help when hitting say string 4 or 3, followed by string 1, then back to 3 or 4. Here is an example, from Mooney's intro to "Swingin' Doors", as tabbed by Ricky Davis, I believe:
The issue comes in the last full bar - I currently pick string 4 with M, then while my thumb goes for 6, my M can reach for string 1. But I am a pick-blocker, so this means string 4 did not get blocked the usual way. If I put M (or my ring finger, per PF) down on 4, I have a hard time then reaching string 1. Joe W would have me block 4 with M and pick string 1 with ring.
I find it easier to play with the middle, but the blocking is the issue then. So maybe it is time to experiment again with a fourth pick on E9, just for hitting string 1 or 2 in the middle of runs.
I use to try to do runs up and down the strings as Joe Wright teaches, using 4 fingers. But I find it easier and faster to use either 2 or three, depending on where I need to end up. I can not think of any instance on C6 where I use my ring finger to pick a single note - only for 4-note chords.
It takes a lot of training to get the ring finger to act independent of the middle finger. I was a pretty competent finger-picker on six-string in my youth, using thumb and 3. Yet I still find it hard on pedal steel. _________________ Bringing steel guitar to the bukid of Negros Oriental! |
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Jeff Harbour
From: Western Ohio, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 8:25 am
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Took a class from Maurice at one point, at the time I was set on Thumb + 2. He didn't attempt to 'convert' us, but he did explain his preferences. A few years later I switched to Thumb + 3. The deciding factor happened while learning some of Maurice's licks. There are certain voicings that just are not possible with less. For example, C6 strings 2-3-5-8 or 3-4-6-9. They are just so rich, I've tried and there's no other way to get that exact sound.
One other factor though is likely the fact that I'm Left-Handed, so I benefit from any extra containment and control of my right hand. |
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Fred Treece
From: California, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 8:58 am
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Thumb pick + 2 finger picks here. **Not a pro**, but I have seen other pros play with that arrangement of picks...
I just use a pickless ring finger to add the 4th note to a chord, or to grab a double stop when it is not convenient to do it any other way. Probably against all the rules, but the reality is, it sounds good to me and I’m not going to get fired from any of the gigs I play for doing it. Probably not going to be hired by a Nashville producer any time soon for doing it either |
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Jeff Harbour
From: Western Ohio, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 9:37 am
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Buddy Rich broke every "rule" of drumming... and ended up with a technical prowess that to this day has never been equaled. |
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Ian Rae
From: Redditch, England
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 1:13 pm
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Fred Treece wrote: |
I just use a pickless ring finger to add the 4th note to a chord, or to grab a double stop when it is not convenient to do it any other way. Probably against all the rules, but the reality is, it sounds good to me and I’m not going to get fired from any of the gigs I play for doing it. Probably not going to be hired by a Nashville producer any time soon for doing it either |
I'm sure I've heard it said that Buddy Emmons would do that sometimes, so I would carry right on. _________________ Make sleeping dogs tell the truth!
Homebuilt keyless U12 7x5, Excel keyless U12 8x8, Williams keyless U12 7x8, Telonics rack and 15" cabs |
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Fred Treece
From: California, USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 4:13 pm
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Okay, that’s two people who have compared something I do with two of the greatest Buddies who ever played anything. I should probably just quit now while I’m way ahead. |
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Bill Cunningham
From: Atlanta, Ga. USA
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 6:59 pm
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Jeff Harbour wrote: |
Took a class from Maurice at one point, at the time I was set on Thumb + 2. He didn't attempt to 'convert' us, but he did explain his preferences. A few years later I switched to Thumb + 3. The deciding factor happened while learning some of Maurice's licks. There are certain voicings that just are not possible with less. For example, C6 strings 2-3-5-8 or 3-4-6-9. They are just so rich, I've tried and there's no other way to get that exact sound.
One other factor though is likely the fact that I'm Left-Handed, so I benefit from any extra containment and control of my right hand. |
Even grips 3-4-5-6 and 4-5-6-7, especially with G lowered for the Maj7 voicing, have a different timbre (and fuller to my ear) when played with 4 picks.
Did you know that Chalker and Lloyd (and me, ) are left handed? _________________ Bill Cunningham
Atlanta, GA |
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