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Topic: Dom7 vs. Maj7 |
Leon Grizzard
From:
Austin, Texas, USA
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Posted 25 Feb 2018 11:51 am |
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| Russ Wever wrote: |
| Charlie McDonald wrote: |
| Possibly related: why is the V chord in a minor scale a major chord? |
This is certainly not a complete answer, but by having
the V chord of the minor key be a Major chord, the
Major Third of that V chord is a Leading Tone to the
Root of the minor chord.
I hope someone else can provide a more in-depth reply.
~Rw |
That's it, plus the discordant tritone between the third of the dominant seventh chord and its b7. |
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Russ Wever
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Kansas City
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Posted 25 Feb 2018 9:59 pm
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| Charlie McDonald wrote: |
| Possibly related: why is the V chord in a minor scale a major chord? |
I have heard and have played minor-key tunes that have used
a minor chord as the dominant (V) chord and have heard and
have played minor-key tunes that have use a Major chord
as the dominant (V) chord.
FWIW & IMHO:
Putting aside the theoretical aspects and 'speaking from
the ear', it strikes me that the minor chord as the dominant
(V) sounds rather lame, or flaccid, while the Major chord,
whether it is a triad or a Seventh, provides a strong sense of
the 'I minor' being the 'Sonic Center of Gravity', aka 'the Key'.
If you've access to Bandinabox, iRealPro, Garageband or the like,
creating some minor-key 'virtual tunes' using both minor and Major
chords in the V position and doing some analytical listening may
be insightful (or, is it 'insoundful !).
~Rw
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Last edited by Russ Wever on 26 Feb 2018 8:36 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Charlie McDonald
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 7:37 am
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| Chris Walke wrote: |
| A dom7 in the 1 chord walks you into the 4 chord. |
This is starting to remind me of a joke, where The 4 Chord is a bar.
| Leon Grizzard wrote: |
... how does one know that the third of the chord is
meant to be a minor Third as opposed to a Major Third? |
That is the question. 'Naw, man, I meant to play that minor seventh!'
Listen to how Handel destroys sevenths in the second bar of the Messiah overture.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNguOV-lKCA
He definitely proclaims the V major as the dominant chord in a minor scale. |
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Mike Neer
From:
NJ
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 8:14 am
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| Russ Wever wrote: |
| Charlie McDonald wrote: |
| Possibly related: why is the V chord in a minor scale a major chord? |
I have heard and have played minor-key tunes that have used
a minor chord as the dominant (V) chord and have heard and
have played minor-key tunes that have use a Major chord
as the dominant (V) chord.
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That is why the melodic and harmonic minor scales were invented: to introduce the leading tone that is absent from the natural minor.
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Russ Wever
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 8:35 pm
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| Mike Neer wrote: |
That is why the melodic and harmonic minor scales
were invented: to introduce the leading tone that is
absent from the natural minor. |
Thanks . .
Within that post I was trying to address it from
a non-technical and more auditory angle.
| Russ Wever wrote: |
| . . . Putting aside the theoretical aspects and 'speaking from the ear' . . . |
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Russ Wever
From:
Kansas City
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Posted 26 Feb 2018 9:04 pm
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| Russ Wever wrote: |
| Charlie McDonald wrote: |
| Possibly related: why is the V chord in a minor scale a major chord? |
I have heard and have played minor-key tunes that have used
a minor chord as the dominant (V) chord and have heard and
have played minor-key tunes that have use a Major chord
as the dominant (V) chord.
FWIW & IMHO:
Putting aside the theoretical apsects and 'speaking from
the ear', it strikes me that the minor chord as the dominant
(V) sounds rather lame, or flaccid, while the Major chord,
whether it is a triad or a Seventh, provides a strong sense of
the 'I minor' being the 'Sonic Center of Gravity', aka 'the Key'.
If you've access to Bandinabox, iRealPro, Garageband or the like,
creating some minor-key 'virtual tunes' using both minor and Major
chords in the V position and doing some analytical listening may
be insightful (or, is it 'insoundful !).
~Rw
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