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Topic: Controversial Setup Technique? |
Chad Lanier
From:
Georgia, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:35 am |
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I stumbled upon a used Carter Starter 10 string at a local music store over the past weekend, and noticed they had the pedal bars attached as shown below:
Although I'm new to the world of pedal steels, as are the kind folks at my local music store, is this an acceptable technique of setting up? Or is this entirely incorrect? I know I've never seen one setup like this before...
Any help you may have would be much appreciated. They are asking 1100 for it with a gig bag. Would you pass or play? |
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Jack Hanson
From:
San Luis Valley, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:48 am
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| Pass. |
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Lee Baucum
From:
McAllen, Texas (Extreme South) The Final Frontier
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:58 am
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| Pass! Even if they had assembled it properly...pass! |
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Greg Lambert
From:
Illinois, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 7:58 am
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| thats a good place for it .. a display in a music store .. |
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Paul Wade
From:
mundelein,ill
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 8:08 am carter starter
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yes it is setup wrong. i would not pay more than $800.00. if ,you buy it have some one who knows pedal steel to set it up for you.it will get you started in the pedal steel world..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1TvjnlYHM
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Bryan Daste
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 8:59 am
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LOL! Somebody should have googled "pedal steel" before setting it up like that!
Like this pedal steel icon in Logic Pro - kinda made me laugh that the legs are straight, the pedals are huge and too close to the center, the pedal rods go THROUGH the rack (how are they pulling anything?), and there are no knee levers. A designer sat there and created this...how? Without ever looking at a picture of a real pedal steel?
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 9:18 am
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Not only did it get set up "wrong", but someone put a lot of work to move the pedals from the keyhead end to the changer end. Then to move the undercarriage parts to the changer end. Maybe a left hander. I would never buy that guitar, and not for more than 3 to 4 hundred if I lost my mind and wanted to buy it.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Chad Lanier
From:
Georgia, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:13 am
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Wow, good catch on the pedals being moved - that's something I hadn't considered, and would be a major deal breaker for me now that I think about it.
I appreciate everyone's insight into the matter and I think I'll pass on this one. But at a minimum, I'll be able to pass this knowledge on to the shop, who may learn something as well (like basic setup!). |
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Jay Jessup
From:
Charlottesville, VA, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:30 am
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| They probably just mounted the pedal bar upside down and didn't really change anything on the pedal bar or guitar. Some big time wing nuts at work here for sure!! |
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Fred Treece
From:
California, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:48 am
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| It's the M.C. Escher model. He ordered it from Carter and it is the only one ever made. Priceless. |
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Jim Sliff
From:
Lawndale California, USA
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:53 am
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Handy if you have a parrot that likes to climb up the pedal rods. Lousy if you want to actually play it.
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1921 Weissenborn Style 2; Hilo&Schireson hollownecks
Appalachian, Regal & Dobro squarenecks
1959 Fender 400 9+2 B6;1960's Fender 800 3+3+2; 1948 Fender Dual-8 Professional |
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Richard Sinkler
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aka: Rusty Strings -- Missoula, Montana
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 10:58 am
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| Jay Jessup wrote: |
| They probably just mounted the pedal bar upside down and didn't really change anything on the pedal bar or guitar. Some big time wing nuts at work here for sure!! |
You're probably right. I'd love (or maybe hate) to see where the hooks on the pedal rods are hooked up.
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Carter D10 8p/8k, Dekley S10 3p/4k C6 setup,Regal RD40 Dobro, Recording King Professional Dobro, NV400, NV112,Ibanez Gio guitar, Epiphone SG Special (open D slide guitar) . Playing for 54 years and still counting. |
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Jeff Mead
From:
London, England
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Posted 20 Dec 2017 11:44 am
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| Jay Jessup wrote: |
| They probably just mounted the pedal bar upside down and didn't really change anything on the pedal bar or guitar. Some big time wing nuts at work here for sure!! |
Not sure about that - the rods that go diagonally are way longer than the one that goes vertically.
I'd love to see a shot of the underside! |
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Ned McIntosh
From:
New South Wales, Australia
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Posted 21 Dec 2017 1:48 pm
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Not only would I leave that one in the store, I'd also ask them to pay you money for just looking at it!
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Dan Kelly
From:
Boston, MA
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Posted 21 Dec 2017 2:38 pm
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Innovative way to go from Emmons to Day set up! Why didn't I think of that!  |
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 21 Dec 2017 2:58 pm
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| Back in the day, people around these parts used to X rods all the time when sitting in on an different setup. |
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 27 Dec 2017 1:25 am
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Wow...LMAO..Looks like a "Guitar Center" pro setup job..
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 27 Dec 2017 1:30 am
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Wow...LMAO
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Mullen G2, Rittenberry S10, Infinity D10, Zumsteel 8+9
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Jeff Garden
From:
Center Sandwich, New Hampshire, USA
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Posted 27 Dec 2017 3:57 am
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| The original owner started out on lap steel and thought that was how you played "slants" on a pedal steel |
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Bobby D. Jones
From:
West Virginia, USA
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Posted 1 Jan 2018 9:59 pm Contrevearsal Setup Technique
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I have set and looked at this picture for quite a while. It looks as if the legs in the back of the guitar are at a longer angle than the front legs.
It looks as if the front legs which would have the pedal bar attachment hardware are on the back of the guitar, And the back legs are on the front.
I believe the rods are just hooked to something not the actual pedal rod levers connector holes on the cross rods. Looks as if the rods are hooked 180 degrees from where they should be. and to what????
If the legs was removed and rotated 180 degrees under the guitar. the pedals would be under the front of the tuner head and then it should hook up correct. And look like a guitar most of us know and sit down to. |
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Jack Hargraves
From:
Missouri, USA
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Posted 2 Jan 2018 2:51 pm
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it is absolutely set up wrong. Whoever did it didn,t have a clue. I would probably pass on it.
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Bob Sykes
From:
North Carolina
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Posted 2 Jan 2018 7:29 pm
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Pedal bar and pedals upside down based on which side the rod is attached to pedal. (Rods normally on keyhead side of pedal)
Cannot tell if legs are reversed but unlikely imho.
No telling where pedal rods are attached underneath but missing knee levers may have something to do with it.
Price is way too high even if guitar was like new condition.
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Mickey Adams
From:
Bandera Texas
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Posted 3 Jan 2018 12:05 pm
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This guitar was simply setup
By a Guitar Center Professional..everything is in the wrong place..
He flunked hi IQ test..
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2017 MSA LEGEND XL D10, S10, Studio Pro S12 EXE9
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Doug Hall
From:
Alabama, USA
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Posted 10 Jan 2018 7:56 am mixup
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Ah....nah. I think somebody is pulling somebody else's leg.
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