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Topic: Who came up with the C pedal? |
Chris Scruggs
From:
Nashville, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2005 9:33 pm |
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Who invented the C pedal for E9 that brings E strings 4 and 5 up a step?
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Marty Pollard
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Posted 15 Jun 2005 9:49 pm
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| I don't know but I could get along just fine w/out it since the same inversion is right around the corner w/pedal A or lever Eb. |
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Billy Wilson
From:
El Cerrito, California, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2005 10:10 pm
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| That's funny, I was thinking of asking the same question. You hear alot about A and B pedals, the chromatic strings and the Es to Eb and F, but not the C pedal thing. Who first did that and why? |
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Dave Grafe
From:
Hudson River Valley NY
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Posted 15 Jun 2005 10:22 pm
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Just for starters, in open position, the B+C combo gives you an A6 (also known as relative minor, partial major 7th, etc.), which corresponds to the E6 that you get by raising the A pedal alone in the same fashion that the A+B corresponds to no pedals. The C pedal completes the basic 1>4 relationship that is the foundation of the E9 tuning.
Myself, I like the idea of relative minors, etc. being available to me in more than one place within a given octave. Plus, when playing swing on an E9 neck I'm gonna want all the 6th chords I can find.
There's lots of other uses as well, but that'll do for starters. |
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Rick Schmidt
From:
Prescott AZ, USA
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Posted 15 Jun 2005 11:46 pm
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I've said this before, so I'll say it again.
I pretty much felt the same way that Marty feels until I added the 8th string E-F# pull also on the C pedal. I noticed that PF had that change and it was the only easy addition I could do myself on my old 8+2 rack and barrel Bud. Now I use that pedal 80% more than I used it before...even with a little more tension. LOVE it!
Sorry for the topic drift. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 2:14 am
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| Buddy Emmons said he first heard Ralph Mooney raise the high E a whole tone around -57, but Mooney didn't raise the B with the same pedal. |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 3:16 am
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| Mooney still doesn't raise the B with the E and neither do I.....JH in Va. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 4:06 am
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Come to think of it Jerry, neither do I  |
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John Daugherty
From:
Rolla, Missouri, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 4:21 am
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| Yes, the first guitar I saw that raised the E string was Ralph Mooneys guitar. And it is correct that he only raised one string with that pedal(#4). On his tuning, it was the 2nd string. |
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Jimmy Gibson
From:
Cornwall, England
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 4:27 am
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At one of Jerry Hogans great first steel festivals, Buddy Emmons was blowing every ones mind away with his magic,he was askes at the aftermoon seminar the set up on his EMCI and he said then he never used the C pedal,but there again he would sound better than most of us even without using any pedals
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 5:16 am
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| * [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 05 April 2006 at 04:56 AM.] |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 5:44 am
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| Sometime about a year ago, there was a thread about how to tell a PSG hack... I laughed like he** over the comment "A & B shiny, C pedal dull", 'cause I seem to fit that mold. Lately I've been accidentally finding uses for it. |
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Robbie Daniels
From:
Casper, Wyoming, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 6:20 am
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I don't use a C pedal. When I first played E9 I eliminated the use of a C pedal by using a knee lever to raise my E to F# like Mooney does. Works better for me this way.
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Jeff Lampert
From:
queens, new york city
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 7:01 am
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I like the idea of getting an F# by raising the E string. I plan on putting the change on my vertical lever. Then I can get the B & C pedal combination using the vertical lever and the A & B combination. I never did like the shift required for the the B & C mash.
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Larry Strawn
From:
Golden Valley, Arizona, R.I.P.
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 7:21 am
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I agree with Erv, I really don't like the shift required for the C pedal, just learned to do it, might put it some where else some day, but to do away with it? Never..
Larry |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 7:55 am
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I don't care if every other player in the world takes it off, or has it and doesn't use it. I use it (quite a lot, as a matter of fact), and I'm keepin' it!  |
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Tony Dingus
From:
Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 8:16 am
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I love it and use it alot with B pedal and by itself.
Tony |
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Gene Jones
From:
Oklahoma City, OK USA, (deceased)
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 8:22 am
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| * [This message was edited by Gene Jones on 05 April 2006 at 04:57 AM.] |
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Ray Minich
From:
Bradford, Pa. Frozen Tundra
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 8:29 am
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| After reading Jeff's link (which is quite informative BTW), I think the next PSG video oughta be an exercise video on leg and ankle flexibility. Deep knee bends anyone? |
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Adrienne Clasky
From:
Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 8:35 am
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Someone may have already posted this and I didn't understand, but I use the C when I want the note from the 7 or the 1 string (as in a ii) and I don't want to play it on those strings. I also read somewhere that the C will give me a maj7, but I can't find it. Anyone?
There's the word from the peanut gallery, LOL. |
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Dave Van Allen
From:
Doylestown, PA , US , Earth
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 8:45 am
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I'm with Donny Hinson. They'll pry my C pedal from between my cold dead toes....
I use the other available pedal combinations as well that give me the same inversions on the same strings at different frets, but I still find the C pedal indispensable |
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John Poston
From:
Albuquerque, NM, USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 9:02 am
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Gene,
Just like your car, you need to rotate your pedals occasionally.
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Steven Welborn
From:
Ojai,CA USA
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 9:05 am
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Having Jimmy Day as one of my original and ongoing learning models, I wouldnt do without the C pedal.Yea, you could do some things with the A , but the tone and expresion wouldnt be the same.
I also need B + C for 4+6 strng harmony lines.[This message was edited by Steven Welborn on 16 June 2005 at 10:09 AM.] |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 16 Jun 2005 9:10 am
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I wish I could remember his name but about 25 years ago I was playing a club in Long Beach, Calif and a guy came to our jam session on Sunday with a little S-10 with only 3 & 3. He used his 1st pedal to lower the G#'s and the 3rd pedal to raise them and the A pedal was in the middle. He played some nice Mooney stuff and I remember asking him how he did that. I remember him saying that he did it by lowering his E's and using the A pedal which did the same thing in that mode. It actually works pretty well that way and since then I do it that way on occasion.....JH in Va.
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