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Damir Besic


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Nashville,TN.
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 12:01 pm    
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looking at some pics and wondering how many strings, pedals and knee levers would be enough to make someone play good?
Can 15 knee levers ,20 pedals and 14 strings make more (or better) music than exp. Don Helms on his Gibson ("Fender" -now that tells you how much I stay in touch with music ..)?

Db

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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 04 July 2005 at 12:14 PM.]

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Larry Robbins


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Fort Edward, New York
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 12:13 pm    
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Someone would have to go a long way to do better than Don Helms!
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Larry Bell


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Englewood, Florida
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 12:15 pm    
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Don plays a Gibson, but we get the point.

I think it's just another one of those things that makes players different -- not better -- not worse -- that's just your opinion -- just DIFFERENT.

Some like no pedals -- others like a bunch
Don Helms has gone from no pedals to a bunch of pedals and back again. So has Morrell. They both play about the same music regardless.

If Crawford wants 10x10 to play like himself and Lloyd wants 3x4 -- that's fine too. They are musicians who make the decision what physical setup allows them to play the music they hear in their heads.

Enough is as many as YOU want (or need).

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[This message was edited by Larry Bell on 03 July 2005 at 01:16 PM.]

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Pete Burak

 

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Portland, OR USA
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 1:36 pm    
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How many necks is enough?
('Never use more than one, myself. )
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John Macy

 

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Rockport TX/Denver CO
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 2:42 pm    
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Amen, Larry...
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Michael Johnstone


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Sylmar,Ca. USA
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 5:19 pm    
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Every time I have these thoughts I listen to Tom Morrell on his non pedal E13 10 string and Lloyd Green with his "primitive" 3+4 E9 setup. That's all it takes to tell me that it's all in the mind and hands of the player.
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Jeff Lampert

 

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queens, new york city
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 6:50 pm    
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The D-10 standard, and the U-12 that grew out of it, are based on the premise that there are two kinds of music - traditional country and western swing. IMO, the further a player removes themselves from those genres, and the more they look to OTHER instruments (horns, keyboards, 6-string, etc.) to provide the benchmarks for how to play those other genres, then the more likely the player will need the extra pedals and knees and anything else that gets them the notes and harmonies other styles of playing call for, so they don't have to go through the contortions imposed upon them by a simple copedent.

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Bobby Lee


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Cloverdale, California, USA
Post  Posted 3 Jul 2005 8:31 pm    
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I've reached my logical limit with 5+5. Sometimes I wish I could make do with less, but I use everything I got. Whenever I try to go for more, I get all confused. My brain can't deal with more than 5+5, and I get frustrated with less.

Oh yeah, I gotta have 12 strings too. Experience has taught me that. I can't go back to 10 strings. Been playing 12 for too long.

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Tony Prior


From:
Charlotte NC
Post  Posted 4 Jul 2005 1:35 am    
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I'm with Bobby..Although my Steel is 9+8..I generally play standard E9th with 3 + 4..

Now and then , if I remember I use the 4th pedal, but as far as the knees go, I am pretty much in my comfort zone with what I play using 4 knee levers..

E's on the left
1+2+7 raise on RKL and 2(double) and 9 lower on RKR

thats a lot of music..

it's not the music thats giving me trouble.. ..it's playing the music !

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Erv Niehaus


From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
Post  Posted 4 Jul 2005 7:02 am    
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How high is up?
Erv
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Mike Sweeney


From:
Nashville,TN,USA
Post  Posted 4 Jul 2005 7:06 am    
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Larry, I hate to be the one to tell you. But, Jimmie Crawford passed away in Feburary.

Mike Sweeney www.freewebs.com/steelguitarmusic/
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Larry Bell


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Englewood, Florida
Post  Posted 4 Jul 2005 12:23 pm    
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Well, Mike, I hate to tell you that I was fully aware of that fact, having known Jimmie since the late 70's. I was simply using him as an example of one who used a lot of pedals and levers. Pardon me for my minor syntactic transgression of having used the present instead of the past tense. Jimmie will never die in my mind. But thanks and bless yer heart for pointing that out.

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Damir Besic


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Nashville,TN.
Post  Posted 4 Jul 2005 1:16 pm    
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this is my favorite 4th of July non pedal

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[This message was edited by Damir Besic on 04 July 2005 at 02:16 PM.]

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Bobbe Seymour

 

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Hendersonville TN USA, R.I.P.
Post  Posted 4 Jul 2005 7:22 pm    
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How many is enough? Come by our "Super Slide" show tomorrow Damir and you'll see that "No pedals and No knees" are enough.
Randy, Maurice, Doug, Tommy, Weldon and several other great players will prove what it is that I have spaketh.
You'll find that these training aids may not be very necessary for you in the future. How many are enough? None are enough, really.

Bobbe,
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Damir Besic


From:
Nashville,TN.
Post  Posted 4 Jul 2005 8:21 pm    
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I would love to Bobbe,but I don`t get of work before 6-7pm.I`m sure you guys will have a great time.Maybe next time.

Db

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