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Topic: Interesting trade today.. |
Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 11:33 am |
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I am the proud new owner of an unplayed 2014 Martin D28 Herringbone.
it came about in an odd way... I decided that I don't need 2 pedal steels at this time.. Done it before, will do it again most likely, but a I AM getting older and playing less these days.
Unable to sell or trade my MSA here on SGF, I put it on CL here in my area, and also in NJ, and the hudson valley, 3 hours east of here..
A very nice man in his late 60's saw the ad, offered his lovely Martin guitar in trade, and drove here from Staten Island, about 4 hours away..
His martin HD 28 was sitting, he never played it, and he's wanted a pedal steel for years, so I had him come over, and gave him a choice of my restored Marlin S10 4&4, or the MSA lacquer S10 5&4... I played them both while he listened, showed him everything I could possibly think on the mechanics of both guitars, and he chose the MSA instantly, even though the Marlen is a much nicer "looking" pedal steel.. The reason I found this SO interesting is because here, among ALL pedal steel players, i could not give the MSA away, although its a far superior instrument to the P/R Marlen...When I posted the MSA here, no less than 4 guys here asked to buy the Marlen. So weird, it was strictly looks for the knowledgeable steel players, and the guy that knew nothing about steels, went exactly opposite.... I really found that so interesting
I have had so much more trouble trading or selling a pedal steel on the steel guitar forum that I was wondering what I was doing wrong, if anything.. Past 5 years or so, it has been so much easier to move a steel on CL...
I think I have figured it out finally..Its probably not my shortcoming as a seller.
Many players here are owners of multiple steels, and are very set in their ways, and in their wants and needs in a pedal steel. A guy might have a Zum, or Mullen or a PP, or maybe a dozen other high end modern brands, and want a ZB or an old Bud or PP, and nothing else.. Or a pro player guy with many steels might want a ultra light student model with 3 and 4 to fly with.. etc, etc...|
All I know is this- Past few years the second I move my for sale/trade ads from here to CL, its got a super appreciative new owner, and I got what I want/need in cash or other musical gear.
It took me a while , years actually, to figure out what I was doing wrong.. I think I was trying to get guys to eat when the had just finished big meals. If you have food you have to sell, you need hungry people, not well fed ones..
Its not like it used to be I guess. At one time, any pedal steel for sale was snapped up fast.. Nowadays, its a much more selective market, and steel players know what they want these days.
After I made the deal for the HD28, a member here did offer a Guild D50 which I would have snapped up if the martin deal hadn't come up, so I guess I was headed in the right direction.. Now I just have to figure out what to do with an expensive Martin that I never would have bought for myself..... bob
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Tommy Boswell
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Virginia, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 12:28 pm
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Interesting post. I have a MSA Classic S10 I've been holding off listing for sale, mainly because packing and shipping is such a chore. Maybe someone will drive 4 hours and bring me a Martin guitar!
Thanks for sharing your CL experience Bob. |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 12:39 pm
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| Tommy Boswell wrote: |
Interesting post. I have a MSA Classic S10 I've been holding off listing for sale, mainly because packing and shipping is such a chore. Maybe someone will drive 4 hours and bring me a Martin guitar!
Thanks for sharing your CL experience Bob. |
Tommy,, I often try to trade instead of sell.. It seldom works out because 95% of the offers you get will be a for oh I dunno,, A korean strat and $200, or a Maverick and $100, or Made in china Hummingbird copy thats JUST LIKE a real one, and $150..
Very seldom have I been offered a really good dollar for dollar deal for excellent gear.
I have been offered brand new Taylors by a dealer on a few occasions, but they were $800 to about $1100 retail guitars which once they were in my hands would simply be used mexican built guitars worth $500-800 at best.. Not a bad deal really , IF you are looking for a Taylor, but it would be more advantageous to sell the steel, BUY a new Taylor, and pocket the rest.. Trading is tricky business unless you are really aware of the markets ad prices.. In this case, I can sell the Martin at about the same price as I could have gotten for the MSA, so it was a fair and equitable trade. .. bob
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 1:14 pm
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it's a good trade, especially if it's = value to = value and both campers are happy !
Whats not to love with a D28 !
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 3:42 pm
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Tony... D28 HERRINGBONE!... fancy...
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David Higginbotham
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Lake Charles, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 26 Nov 2017 4:57 pm
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Bob,
It's nothing you're doing wrong with the listings as anyone who is familiar with you over the years knows you're as straight laced as they come and I've seen you take a beating on stuff just to find something else you wanted. (Remember the Carter S-10 deal you were shafted on years back?)
With the continued growth of the membership things have changed as with everything else in the world. The close knit feeling is no longer familiar and there's so much discard on any number of topics, including sales! Noticed a Carter listed recently at below market value and a few members posted sending email or PM and another posted he would purchase it which caused one of the others to post "didn't you see the others ahead of you?" Which was really uncalled for as tho this poster cut in line and tried to steal the guitar or something. Sending an email or PM doesn't necessarily say "I will buy it." I've posted first on equipment in the listing only to be told by the seller that it was already sold, which is perfectly fine with me. I congratulate them on the sale and thank them for their time to write me. It's their equipment and they're entitled to sell it to whomever they wish for whatever agreed upon price. Honestly, there's members I refuse to deal with as a buyer or seller just because of things like this. Way too much drama and entitlement expectations.
The forum has changed over the years my friend and I don't see it ever returning to the warm fuzzy feeling of years past. But I've made many good friends over the years that I cherish and many of us still enjoy trading, buying, & selling as well as the incredible knowledge that so many share. I've learned a lot.
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Mark Eaton
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Posted 27 Nov 2017 1:36 am
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| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
Tony... D28 HERRINGBONE!... fancy...
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Aside from the herringbone trim and the tortoise style vs. black pickguard, there is only one difference in construction between a D-28 vs. HD-28: straight bracing vs. scalloped bracing. The scalloped bracing (and this is a generalization) typically contributes to a more "bassy"
sound, and might be a little more "mellow" and not cut through the mix quite as much in a band situation as a straight D-28.
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2017 4:47 am
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correct, and to be honest I would prefer the sound of a D28 as opposed to the HD28.. I may not keep it.. To be honest its more guitar than I need, and I like the sound of the old Yamahas just as much... bob
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J R Rose
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Keota, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 27 Nov 2017 6:37 pm
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Very well said Bob. I to just down sized and sold a 2002 Martin D-28. Got me a little used Yamaha flat top for a $150.00 and love it. I can't play what ever it is anyway, just a lot of money setting their. Also sold my Emmons LeGrande 11. Great guitar but did not need that kind of money just setting their. And people say well you don't need the money so why sell, just look at it. My answer is my kids would not get a 1/4 of what they were worth so I did it before my time is up. It is a real shame that most of us old timers do not have kids that know or want to know about our guitars and music. Times have changed. I am like you Bob, Over the Hill.!! J.R.
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2017 8:15 am
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Yep.. Its funny, I couldn't wait to get the deal done.. had dozens of pedal steels over the decades, but never owned an acoustic like Martin HD28.. Had Guilds , a Gibson,and a cheaper Martin, but the MIJ yamahas always sounded and played just as good...Always sold the high end stuff.. figured in my 60's it was time to own a really great acoustic... Once the guy left, I played the guitar, it played very nicely, had a typical Martin tone and bottom, but I just started think.."OK now what"?.. It will sit there the same way the MSA did, unplayed most days, and when it is played, pulled out for 10 minutes a few chords wanked out, and then back in the case... Makes no sense.. I am retired, no longer performing except at church these days
Time for a lot of stuff to go its looking like...
Including the beautiful martin I always wanted..
Reminds me of an old Star Trek episode where Spock said to his rival for the affections of his betrothed girlfriend TPring- a Vulcan guy named Ston, who got the girl TPring at the end of the episode ..
"You may find after a time that wanting is not so pleasing a thing as having"
that phrase has more meaning with every piece of gear I bring in... No longer any joy in it, even if its something I have always wanted. Years ago it was SO different.. bob
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I'm over the hill and hittin'rocks on the way down!
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Mark Eaton
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Sonoma County in The Great State Of Northern California
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Posted 28 Nov 2017 9:33 am
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A few chords then back into the case...doesn't sound like you're giving the herringbone much of a chance!
You wrote earlier that the guy you got the guitar from in the trade never played it, and you had it across your lap apparently for all of a minute - play it for a half hour so that it has a chance to "wake up." Gotta get those wood fibers moving.
The guitar has been in "hibernation!"
Martin began a program in 2011 where they use the designation CS for "Custom Shop" instead of "D" "OM" "000" etc.
The Custom Shop submitted guitars with features of their own design and has been building these models in limited runs. The guitar below is one of the first two models, the run sold out to dealers very quickly at the NAMM show In January, 2011 and I reserved a spot through Gryphon Stringed Instruments in Palo Alto, California.
Long story, they had four on order and I was able to get first crack at each one when it arrived for a thumbs up/thumbs down. Were it thumbs down I would have waited for the next one (they didn't arrive at the same time). They called me in August that year and I made the long drive to Gryphon, played this baby for a half hour and told them "go ahead and drill a hole and install a strap button on the neck heel - this one isn't coming back."
It's called the CS-21-11. Adirondack spruce top, Madagascar rosewood back and sides, along with Madi fretboard and bridge. Hot hide glue construction. Koa binding and herringbone trim. Lighter build, along the lines of a prewar Martin. Scalloped bracing.
I get to play a lot of cool acoustics, but I don't have GAS for another dreadnought - this one does it for me. A fantastic guitar! You can see the discoloration on the top of the bass side of the lower bout where my arm contacts the guitar - it gets played a lot, almost every day.
We all know the rap - you can have two identical guitars built from the same billet of wood, and they sound different.
But for gosh sake, give that herringbone a legitimate shot to see what it's all about!
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Andy Henriksen
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Michigan, USA
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Posted 28 Nov 2017 9:59 am Re: Interesting trade today..
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| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
| I am the proud new owner of an unplayed 2014 Martin D28... |
I'm glad I read past the first line because I briefly thought this was a double neck steel with 56 strings total!  |
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Jon Zimmerman
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California, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 8:55 am
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Always enjoy your ways with words, Bob. Comparing hungry people with those who are "well fed" for example. Overall, this Forum is filled with obsessive-compulsive behavior in every aspect..including strings, VP's, tubes/SS, you name it. But, I feel it boils down to just one's own Personal Preferences. This Forum can be a wide range as well, from frustrations to fulfillment and edification. You must pick a way thru the minefields.
BTW Bob, I too am way over the hill...but always feel that age and experience beats youth and rudeness "every which way but loose". Enjoy that Martin, play every day! JZ
And fellers, we all must keep our ears clear..of "persistent wax build-up". |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 1:26 pm
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instead of back in the case where it is hidden, put it on a stand, you may find that you will pick it up more often. Start listening to some bluegrass records , you may find yourself picking it up more and more. That 28 is an addicting instrument.
But if it's the case, it may be to much effort to take it out so you won't.
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Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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Kevin Mincke
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Farmington, MN (Twin Cities-South Metro) USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 4:28 pm
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Don R Brown
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Rochester, New York, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 6:17 pm
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| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
Reminds me of an old Star Trek episode where Spock said to his rival for the affections of his betrothed girlfriend TPring- a Vulcan guy named Ston, who got the girl TPring at the end of the episode ..
"You may find after a time that wanting is not so pleasing a thing as having"
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Bob, is that turned around backwards, or am I missing the meaning? It suggests to me that sometimes once you get something you have wanted for a long time, it's not as great and wonderful as you had envisioned. But that would be "having is not so pleasing as wanting".
Or am I looking at it wrong?
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Dave Mudgett
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Central Pennsylvania and Gallatin, Tennessee
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 7:16 pm
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Yeah, it's
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting."
But we all knew what he meant.
Bob, you made a good trade there. I did the reverse a couple of years ago - an HD-28 (I had to cough up a bit of dough too) for a Fender Quad Stringmaster. Not sure what I'm gonna do with four necks, but I'll eventually figure something out.
Find you a banjar, mandolin, and upright bass player and play some bluegrass with that thang! Never gets too loud and it's lotsa fun. HD-28 is made to order. |
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Bob Carlucci
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Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 8:23 pm
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| Don R Brown wrote: |
| Bob Carlucci wrote: |
Reminds me of an old Star Trek episode where Spock said to his rival for the affections of his betrothed girlfriend TPring- a Vulcan guy named Ston, who got the girl TPring at the end of the episode ..
"You may find after a time that wanting is not so pleasing a thing as having"
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Bob, is that turned around backwards, or am I missing the meaning? It suggests to me that sometimes once you get something you have wanted for a long time, it's not as great and wonderful as you had envisioned. But that would be "having is not so pleasing as wanting".
Or am I looking at it wrong? |
No you're right don.. I am ass backwards as usual.. lol...
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I'm over the hill and hittin'rocks on the way down!
no gear list for me.. you don't have the time...... |
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Mitch Ellis
From:
Collins, Mississippi USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 8:28 pm
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As well as play steel, I have also done a LOT of singing as a front man. Had my own band, complete with steel player, and all of that. When I was 27 yrs. old, I bought, brand new, the best guitar I had ever owned...A Martin HD28. The years went by, and I kept on singing, and at 30yrs old, bought my first steel...a Fessenden SD10, 3x5. Now I do whatever is needed. Some bands need a front man and some need a steel player, or sometimes both. Since the HD28, I've acquired a 1976 Guild D40, a 1986 Guild D25M, And a 1953 Gibson J45 that needs restoring. In 2004, I bought, brand new, a Zum D10 5x8. Well, about three weeks ago, and at 49 yrs old, I bought a guitar that I've wanted for twenty five years...a Martin D45. It's a 2004 model with literally less than 1 hour of playing time. It is in absolute mint, as-new condition. The HD28 is special to me. I was playing that guitar when I sang on the stage of the Grand Ole Opry. And the D45 is also an excellent guitar. Very strong and powerful. I fell so blessed to be able to own either one, but even more so, both. I didn't mean to ramble on so much. 
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Bob Carlucci
From:
Candor, New York, USA
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Posted 29 Nov 2017 8:33 pm
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Yeah, it's
"After a time, you may find that having is not so pleasing a thing, after all, as wanting."
But we all knew what he meant.
Bob, you made a good trade there. I did the reverse a couple of years ago - an HD-28 (I had to cough up a bit of dough too) for a Fender Quad Stringmaster. Not sure what I'm gonna do with four necks, but I'll eventually figure something out.
Find you a banjar, mandolin, and upright bass player and play some bluegrass with that thang! Never gets too loud and it's lotsa fun. HD-28 is made to order. |
I dunno, its ok I guess, but first time I drop it, or bang it against something, I'll want to slit my wrists.. Its a good guitar, and its still tight, but I dunno, its just not going to get played much... I have it sold already[tentatively] , and I sold it 800 bucks cheaper than an identical one at a local guitar shop, so the guy gut a great deal.. I am going to put $1000 aside for other stuff when it pops up, perhaps the right S10 ZB I have been searching for for the past 10 years, and then use the rest to buy a nice MIJ 12 string dreadnaught, and a similar 6 string.. Looking at red label yamaha/ Yamaki/Morris/Alverez/Tak/ etc.. The red label Yamahas and the Yamaki martin clones, are as sweet sounding as any "real" Martin to my ears, and I don't have to worry about putting a ding or crack in it.. those MIJ guitars I'll play.. the Martin not so much.. bob
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I'm over the hill and hittin'rocks on the way down!
no gear list for me.. you don't have the time...... |
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 30 Nov 2017 2:59 am
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I dunno, its ok I guess, but first time I drop it, or bang it against something, I'll want to slit my wrists. |
AHH don't do that !
Over a year ago I acquired a 1987 MIJ / 62 RI Telecaster in Sunburst. It was mint.
I don't even take it out that much as it is not my go to guitar for gigs. ( as much as I love it )
Well a couple of months ago I took it out to a gig, a guitar only gig, I'm playin' having a good time , I'm even in tune , then I just happen to notice..WHAT !!!! What the heck is that. ? A small ding on the bottom edge of the body front by the binding. How the heck did that happen ? I have no earthly clue how it got there. This guitar spends 90 % of it's time hanging on the wall !
Oh lord...
but after a few minutes I got over it ( sadly ) and kept on with the gig.
Then about a month ago on a gig, My Taylor 414 was on it's stand and somehow a mic cable on the floor pulled against the stand and guess what happened to the 414,? down it went. Yep, a small gouge on the front by the lower edge. It's now a memory.
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Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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