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Topic: Why did the F# 1/2 step raise fall out of fashion? |
John Scanlon
From:
Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2017 8:17 am |
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I'm curious.
It seems to me from my years of reading this forum that at one point, the 1/2 step raise on strings 1 and 7 (F# to G) was a pretty popular change. (E9 of course, but before my time as a player). It also makes complete sense to me, esp. since it makes a IV chord with AB down into a dom.7 chord. But now it appears it has fallen out of fashion and few people still use it? Are my observations about this right? If so, why?
I have both of those strings on a pull that has a half-stop at G and then all the way up to G#. I never use the full raise.
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 1 Nov 2017 8:44 am
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Instead of raising 7 I lower 6 a whole step and split it with the B pedal. I find it more versatile and maybe others do too now that splits are easy to do. I guess in the pull-release days the only option was to raise 7.
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2017 9:01 am
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I have a U12 with a LKR that raises both F#'s to G.
AB Pedals-down it's added as a 7th tone, as mentioned.
I get alot of single-note mileage out of those notes... on the high F# from open-positions for Buddy Cage and Ralph Mooney style licks. I also like the string-7 half-step raise when playing Travis style pickin' on the low end as a quick engage/release fast-note lick.
On steels that don't have that change, I just do a behind the bar finger-pull, it's an easy note to get that way.
S12U guys often raise the high F# to G on P5, which can be used as an E9th lick too.
If you are not using the whole tone raise I would recommend setting up the lever so you can just slam it quickly from F# to G. It's a nice short fast change that mechanically works well.
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Ian Worley
From:
Sacramento, CA
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John Scanlon
From:
Jackson, Mississippi, USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2017 9:11 am
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| Ian Rae wrote: |
| Instead of raising 7 I lower 6 a whole step and split it with the B pedal. I find it more versatile and maybe others do too . . . |
Yes, it seems like everyone these days either does this, or pulls 1 up a whole step and 2 up a half step to match strings 3 and 4. Or both.
| Ian Rae wrote: |
| . . . now that splits are easy to do. I guess in the pull-release days the only option was to raise 7. |
This probably has a lot to do with it. Thanks.
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Jerry Overstreet
From:
Louisville Ky
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Posted 1 Nov 2017 10:04 am
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I don't think it's fallen out of favor. I believe lots of players still have this change.
I have both the 6th split and the 7th string raise, but I raise 7 a whole tone for that maj7 tone...and I use that a lot. It's on the lever w/2&9 lower...with the right rodding combination, I get a half stop G too.
May seem redundant to some, but it's really not. Just depends on how you play and what you're looking for. |
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Pete Burak
From:
Portland, OR USA
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Erv Niehaus
From:
Litchfield, MN, USA
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Posted 1 Nov 2017 1:25 pm
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I still have it.  |
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colin mcintosh
From:
Australia
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Posted 1 Nov 2017 3:48 pm
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My U12 raised the 7th string F# to G but I changed that to the 6th string G# to G because it's a C6th change and with that lever, LKR, I could use it with the left foot over the 5th and 6th pedals.
It means that using the standard Maj 7th grip 11, 8, 5 it's possible to get the iim7 2 frets up with that lever change and the 6th pedal rather than moving down 2 frets and the next grip over. Clear as mud. |
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Dale Rottacker
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Walla Walla Washington, USA
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