C6 Pedal Setup

Dave Seddon · From: Leicester, England.

I have just bought a Carter D10 with 8+7, I have never played C6 before so I am wondering which is the best setup to learn.
I have looked at several players setups, and they seem to vary quite a lot, not so much the pedals but the variation of knee lever setups seems quite considerable. Any help would be very much appreciated.
Cheers Dave.

CrowBear Schmitt · From: Ariege, - PairO'knees, - France

these are pretty standard knee lever changes
string 3 lowers C to B on RKL
string 3 raises C to C# on LKV
strings 4 & 8 raise A to Bb on RKR
string 5 lowers G to F on LKL
other knee levers can be used than the ones i mention

check out "Texas C6th" on this page Dave
http://b0b.com/tunings/index.html

Dave Seddon · From: Leicester, England.

Thanks CrowBear
Just had a look at those and I reckon the Emmons setup looks like a good place to start.
Cheers Dave.

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

I don't know about which direction does what, but these 4 simple half step changes open up the whole world of jazz chords:

1. raise 3rd string C to C#
2. lower 3rd string C to B
3. raise 4th string A to Bb
4. lower 4th string A to Ab

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Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Dave, since you've got no experience at all on C6th, I'd advise you just to study and use the setup that's already on it (whatever that may be), for at least 6 months before changing it in any way. There really is no "best" setup, because if there were, that would be the one everybody would use. Instead, realize that making good music is simply learning to understand the tuning setup you are confronted with, and learning it's advantages and disadvantages before you do anything else. When you have no comprehension of what you might already have, it's counter-productive to want to change anything.

This quote kinda sums it up...

David Doggett · Posted 12 Jun 2005 7:03 pm

The classic C6 setup for Western Swing was 5 pedals and a single lever, RKL lowering the 3rd string C to B. Once you have mastered that, you can move to modern jazz with Mr. Emmons additional levers, most of which have been described above. His approach was to raise and lower the 3rd string C in half-steps with two right knee levers, and do the same thing for string 4 with two left knee levers. Sensibly, levers moving left lowered, moving right raised, just like on the fret board. This covers the chromatic scale at the top of his C chord with intuitive knee movements - simple and genius.

Mark van Allen · From: Watkinsville, Ga. USA

I would agree that a bunch of lever- relocating might be counter-productive until one gets into the tuning a bit. I'd suggest listening closely to the C6 styles of players that really grab you, and taking a good look at their copedants. For example, John Hughey makes excellent use of the "reverse 6 pedal" knee, 2nd string lower, 6th string raise. Also while I admire the good sense behind the original Emmons set-up, I use the C to C# extensively with the 5th pedal, just like the E to F on E9, so it makes sense to me to have it on the LKL or vertical so it's a natural move with pedal 5. Also a good idea to raise both C's to C# on that one, for a full set of chords across the neck.

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John Poston · From: Albuquerque, NM, USA

Dave,

Congrats on the new steel.
The typical pedals 5-7 can keep you busy for a few months.
You should post the copedant here when you get a chance.

Dave Seddon · From: Leicester, England.

Thankyou all for your comments and sugestions, I think I shall need to take some time over this one.
Cheers Dave.

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