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Topic: Pedals and Knees |
Billy Murdoch
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Glasgow, Scotland, U.K.
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Posted 22 May 2005 12:39 pm |
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Hello all,
If,for the purpose of discussion we are to assume that the standard set up for a D10 is 8 x 4.
I can see the addition of a Franklin pedal and a fifth lever making it a 9 x 5 but
what are the advantages of going further?
If we go to the ridiculous we could have a plenty x plenty set up and I for one would never rememember where I was when keeping an eye on the Blonde in the first row.
Best rtegards
Billy |
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 22 May 2005 1:11 pm
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There's that word again. Franklin. What is a Franklin pedal. I mean, what does it do, and on which neck.
Charlie |
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 22 May 2005 1:16 pm
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Charles the "Franklin" pedal is quite often found in position 4 on E9th (sometimes position 0) --- usually raises string 5 and 10 from B to A, and lowers 6th G# to F#. It is becoming very much a standard along with the ABC combo.
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Larry Hamilton
From:
Amarillo,Tx
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Posted 22 May 2005 1:47 pm
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I think Paddy means LOWERS the 5th and 10th strings instead of "raises" the 5th and 10th.
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 22 May 2005 2:10 pm
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I gather that it's not used with the ABC pedals since it conflicts. With LK raise it would give you five F#s between strings 4 and 8. Might work with LK lower. Conflicts with LKV.
What's a popular recorded example of someone using a Franklin pedal?
Charlie |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 22 May 2005 4:17 pm
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I don't think that Billy intended this to be a discussion of the Franklin pedal. Let's get back on topic...
Billy, a lot of people are adding knee levers for the C6th neck. A vertical for the E9th is also very common.
To me it makes sense like this. There are 5 distinct movements you can make with your knees. LL LV LR RL and RR. Once you "wire" a change to one of these movements in your brain, it becomes automatic.
Pedals are harder to master because the downward movement of the foot is basically the same on all pedals. I know a lot of players whose foot never leaves the AB position. All of the action is AB and knees. On the C6th it's P5, P6 and knees.
Eventually, most of us get around to the C pedal and P7, and then lose our place on the way back home. 9 pedals? Sorry, my brain doesn't work that way.
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 22 May 2005 4:29 pm
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Billy, you're falling prey to that old misconception...
more pedals = more (or better) music
Don't, because it isn't true.
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Paddy Long
From:
Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 22 May 2005 5:28 pm
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Your right of course Larry - but we do everything backwards "down under" !!
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Charles Dempsey
From:
Shongaloo, LA
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Posted 22 May 2005 5:59 pm
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Sorry boss. Didn't realize I was hi-jacking the thread.
As you know from other threads, my '81 Emmons was shipped with 10 and 7 (now 8 and 5). I'm just a little bit (ahem) anal about my stuff, so I'm going to put 9 and 10 back on even if I never use them. I thought the "Franklin" pedal might be something I was interested in, although the thought of moving 4 through 8 down to 5 through 9 is a bit more of a re-work than I was hoping for. Plus that messes up the 5 and 6 thing. Unless............ No, never mind.
If I get too frisky just whop me across the nose with a rolled up news paper and I'll behave.
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John Macy
From:
Rockport TX/Denver CO
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Posted 22 May 2005 6:19 pm
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Donny said " more pedals = more (or better) music--Don't, because it isn't true."
He is entirely right that the simple addition of more pedals and knee levers will not give you more and/or better music. However, if you understand your guitar, and there is a reason for more--go for it. I come from the Jimmie Crawford school, starting with a 10x10 guitar in 1979 (currently playing 9x11 these days  ), and wouldn't go back for anything. Jimmie was the true master of the multi lever/pedal setup, and they all got used--often . And believe me, that 9th pedal was not just for the "Franklin" change--his first 4 pedals and pedals 9&10 all worked both necks...
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Bruce Burhans
From:
Bellingham, Washington, USA
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Posted 22 May 2005 7:42 pm
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Bobby Lee,
I think that must be a matter of what one is used to.
Go watch a concert organist rehearse sometime, and get
up behind them and watch their feet.
They play a keyboard (black and white "keys") with
their feet that is several octaves long, and those
pedals are much more cumbersome than a steeler's
pedals.
The pedals are in the bass range and they play lines
sight read from sheet music that you and I (especially
me  would have a serious problem playing on our steels.
All the while playing on several different keyboards above
with their hands and constantly changing the tone quality
of the various keyboards with knobs they push and
pull.
Bruce in Bellingham
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