knee lever advice

Damien Odell · From: Springwood, New South Wales, Australia

I am adding a lever to my S10 3 x 4.

It's gonna be a LKV. I would be interested in feedback on what would be the most useful change.
I was considering raising the F# on 1st string to G#.
The other idea was to do the B to Bb change here.

Another option again is to have both of these....I currently have a LKR that drops the G#'s to G - I could probably live without this one.
Any ideas and advice would be appreciated,

Damien

Willie Crisel · From: Charlotte, Tennessee, USA

I like having my 1st string raise on my RKL,along with 2nd string raise to E,,and 6th string lower,,,i think i would put the 5 string lower on the vertical,,,seems like most people are doing this,,

[This message was edited by Willie Crisel on 17 May 2005 at 10:25 PM.]

David L. Donald · From: Koh Samui Island, Thailand

Since you have the G# to G change,
if you add the B to Bb you have the complete cycle
of major an minor chords available.
AB up or down.

Plus a flat V pedals up to go with your bIII for a passing chord too.
( if you add a 2nd rod for a slight raise when open.)

[This message was edited by David L. Donald on 18 May 2005 at 01:13 PM.]

Robbie Daniels · From: Casper, Wyoming, USA

On my vertical pull I raise the 1st string to G and raise the 7th string to G#. By pulling first to G you can move up one fret and have the same as pulling the 1st two strings and the pull of the F# to G# creates some interesting movements within a chord.

Bobby Lee · From: Cloverdale, California, USA

Seems to me like you're "putting the cart before the horse". If you don't feel a need for a specific change, why are you adding a lever?

The most standard LKV change is the "Jeff lever" lowering the B strings half a step. It's useful in all kinds of music. Once you have it you'll probably never want to be without it. But if you never add it, you might never need it.

I suggest waiting until you have an "aha moment", when you suddenly realize that you could do something special that you really want to do if you only had a lever that pulled <insert function here>. Otherwise, you're just adding distractions that you don't really need.

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Bengt Erlandsen · From: Brekstad, NORWAY

The best change on LKV depends a little bit of what you want to play and a little bit if you plan to locate it so it either can be used together w either LKL or LKR.
Since you have G#'s - G on LKR I assume you have the Day setup on pedals A B C. If not I can understand why you can live without that change on LKR because it would not feel natural playing A+B pedal and releasing Bpedal while engaging LKR, or just playing A pedal a LKR at the same time could also be difficult.
In order to find an idea of what to put on LKV it would be nice to know what changes are on LKL LKR RKL RKR because many more nice things can be done when levers are used together compared to a lever used alone.

Bengt

Donny Hinson · From: Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.

Bengt is right. To know what to suggest, we must know exactly what you already have. Also, keep in mind that verticals are harder to work quickly, and that they are more limited in travel than side-moving levers.

Bob's point is well taken, too. Beginning players shouldn't worry about just adding pedals to have them. Nothing is more humbling and frustrating than playing an E9th tuning with 13 pedals, and then seeing someone do as well with only 6 or 7. That's happened to me...and probably to many others. But, they might not admit it as readily.

Charles Curtis · Posted 19 May 2005 4:31 pm

Just watching and listening to Lloyd Green makes me wonder why I don't throw my C-6 neck away.

Damien Odell · From: Springwood, New South Wales, Australia

Thanks for all the replies - there have been many moments in which I have wished I had the Bb change....but before I rushed into anything I thought that I would ask some more experienced players what was likely to be more useful.
But yes....listening to Lloyd does kinda make me think that more options are not necessarily good...
I just bought a copy of his 'Revisited' CD and it's brilliant, right from the first bar of the first track you know it's Lloyd.

Thanks again,

Damien

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