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Topic: Hows the scene in Nashville ? |
Bill Ladd
From: Wilmington, NC, USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2017 1:52 pm
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Karen - I agree with Mike Holder 110%. I have a number of wish-I-had-dones in my music career.
I passed on the gig that got Bob Hoffnar down to Austin. (Turns out is was a horrible gig, but it got Bob down to where it seems he should be, so I'm happy I passed as far as not getting in Bob's way. [He played with the Stooges for chrissake!!] Who knows what it would have led to for me though?).
A few years later I passed on the steel/multi spot for Darius Rucker. Yep. I did. Darius and I have been friends since the very early Hootie days. I emailed him when I learned that he was planning a country career. A few weeks later his music director called and said I had the gig if I was willing to relocate to Nashville in two weeks and ready to hit the road for 8-9 months. The pay really sucked for size of the gig, I was a newlywed, and I'd just started my new business - plus is was scared I would bomb and be put off the bus in Albuquerque or somewhere. I called back later that day and passed.
I think about that decision a lot. A lot.
You have a very cool and unique look. You have chops. If I were a music director in Nashville, I'd certainly give you a look see.
Life is short. I say go for it. Nashville doesn't pan out? Head to Texas. Seems like there's a ton of work down there.
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Rich Upright
From: Florida, USA
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Posted 13 Jul 2017 3:33 pm
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Well, look at it this way...I play guitar, pedal steel,5 string banjo, bass, & sing. I am a "first call" musician here in the Tampa Bay area, yet I wouldn't even pick up a guitar in Nashville.
Was at the Hall of Fame motor inn some years back, and there was a steel player who everyone knows; one of the world's top players, and he told me he was making $15/night playing there, just doing it for fun. The studio is where he makes his bucks. And, Nashville is prolly the only place that pays less than Florida!
I compare trying to make it in Nashville like trying to join the Mafia...you gotta be "born" into it, otherwise "Fugheddaboutit"!
I think you would be much better off in Texas...gotta drive a lot; everything in Texas is 100 miles away. And, at least they play country music in Texas; Nashville ain't produced a real country artist in years. If I were to do it again, I would go to Austin-SA. Better weather than Nashville, & I think less competition. I have been at my day job for 13 years, but if I ever lose it...Texas here I come. _________________ A couple D-10s,some vintage guitars & amps, & lotsa junk in the gig bag. |
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Johnny Cox
From: Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 13 Jul 2017 3:50 pm
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Starved me out. I'm done with it. _________________ Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967. |
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Paddy Long
From: Christchurch, New Zealand
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Posted 13 Jul 2017 8:09 pm
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I can remember a lot of people trying to talk Jamie Lennon out of moving to Nashville from the UK a few years back -- he seems to be doing ok for himself by the way !!!
If you really want to do it, give it a go - you won't die wondering ...!! and you might just get lucky _________________ 14'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
08'Zumsteel Hybrid D10 9+9
94' Franklin Stereo D10 9+8
Telonics, Peterson, Steelers Choice, Benado, Lexicon, Red Dirt Cases. |
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Tyler Hall
From: Mt. Juliet, TN
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Posted 13 Jul 2017 9:44 pm
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There's work. It all comes down to attitude. There's always a better player but do people enjoy working with you? Are you easy to get along with and will you learn the material? I don't do any utility work and I stay busy as I want to be just playing steel. It's hard to say what'll happen but you never know till you try. _________________ www.joshturner.com
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Chris Bauer
From: Nashville, TN USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 12:21 am
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You're getting a ton of ideas and information here that sound contradictory but, in fact, are simply different pieces of the same puzzle.
This town has a truckload of stunningly great steel players. Some of them are working all they want and some are barely getting by or not getting by at all. This town also has multiple truckloads of extremely average (or, like me, sub-average) steel players. Some of us are working all we want to and some are barely getting by or not getting by at all.
At the end of the day, whether you make it or not is not much different than in many any other large towns. The harder you're willing to work and the easier you are to get along with, the better the chances that you'll work more and at the better-paying gigs. Also like in any other place, though - though possibly more than in many places because of the sheer number of musicians here - like it or not, a whole lot of it simply comes down to garden variety luck. Who do you happen to meet at a time when they can use you and how well does fate parlay those chance meetings into other chance opportunities that happen to work out well for you.
Once fate hands you a few of those opportunities, though, if you can cover the parts and are an easy, enjoyable hang, word gets around and other work comes in. (Of course the opposite is true as well...)
As for the money to be made here, a lot of the negative comments you hear are correct, unfortunately. Most music work pays alarmingly poorly compared to many other parts of the country. It's not that there aren't jobs that pay well here, there certainly are - it's just that there are few of them compared to the number of players in town so the competition for them isn't always a thrill for the faint of heart.
Here's the bottom line, though. No one but you can decide if what you can find here is worth the hustle and possible hassle of scraping together a large number of low-paying music jobs or playing only part-time till you see if Nashville is for you musically, culturally, and financially.
What's certain is that there are few other places you're likely to hear or easily get to play with so many high caliber musicians who, for the most part, are really in it together.
Is that worth the risk or the possible struggle? There's not a soul in the world who can answer that but you. (But, as Mike said and others here have echoed, if you're at a time in your life when you can afford the various risks involved, why risk, instead, never knowing what would have happened if you'd tried?) |
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 3:07 am
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A friend of mine, just about my age, just moved to Nashville, maybe a month or two ago, of course he wasn't looking to make a career of it,but thats not the point. He has already played several gigs and has opportunity for a steady gig at one of the major Broadway clubs. We didn't talk money because it's not about supporting his life, but he wasn't there a week and he sent me a photo of him playing Steel at a club. HIS Steel, not a sit in. He sings, plays good country guitar and plays Steel. He has also landed a steady day job downtown which he really likes. He is also connecting socially with many players, and that right there is "premo" important , far exceeds any playing ability.
IF we are going there because we feel we can land a gig because we are a premium player, we should probably stay home. Every town has many great players that can't find a gig or keep a gig.
It doesn't matter how good we are or how good we think we are. Thats not even on the job requirement list in Nashville, thats a given or we wouldn't be there.
If we are able to be self supporting and are wanting to experience the ride, it would be well worth the journey.
I have thought about it several times over the last few years but quite frankly I don't have the energy. My luck I would end up playing back to back 6 to 10 and 10 to 2 shows a couple of times each week ! That doesn't sit well for someone who's typical bed time is 9:30 PM !
It's not my calling _________________ Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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Karen Sarkisian
From: Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 6:11 am
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thanks for all the replies. sadly I am not young at 53. cost of living in Boston is my biggest issue. I have to work a 9-5 just to pay my mortgage. I could sell my condo here and have enough money to buy something in Nash or Austin and have zero mortgage. I have never considered my 9-5 a "career", i do it for the money and health insurance. But change is hard and I've been here my whole life. I have lots of regrets. had a few decent opportunities with music that I didnt pursue here. Its fear of change that holds me back but I'm tire of working my 9 to 5 just to live paycheck to paycheck.
oh, and what do others have who are making a living playing music in Boston that I dont have ?....
usually a husband or wife with a high paying day job, or a trust fund hahhahaha _________________ Emmons PP, Mullen G2 and Discovery |
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Charley Hill
From: The Dirty South
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 10:21 am
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It is an evolutionary concept, essentially.
But, I think if you can make the move without the expense of a mortgage and NOT having to rely on your passion to support you....then you should do it!
Like the previous post indicated....making memories.
We all love you Karen, regardless of location!
It's all a vacuous process unless you are happy and content!
"Focus on what makes you HAPPY".
Peace! _________________ Traveler, Peddler and Extreme life lover. Giving up is not an option. |
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Johnny Cox
From: Williamsom WVA, raised in Nashville TN, Lives in Hallettsville Texas
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 10:23 am
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Karen, I would suggest Austin. I loved it there. _________________ Johnny "Dumplin" Cox
"YANKIN' STRINGS & STOMPIN' PEDALS" since 1967. |
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Karen Sarkisian
From: Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 11:28 am
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Johnny Cox wrote: |
Karen, I would suggest Austin. I loved it there. |
thanks Johnny, I will be speaking to Herb S soon and hope to plan a trip to Austin to visit.. I would definitely need to get my chops up but life is short and my regrets are growing _________________ Emmons PP, Mullen G2 and Discovery |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 12:01 pm
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Come on down to Austin ! It's getting expensive here though. If I was moving to Texas now I would head for Fort Worth. Much more affordable and a very happening scene. _________________ Bob |
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Karen Sarkisian
From: Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 12:08 pm
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Bob Hoffnar wrote: |
Come on down to Austin ! It's getting expensive here though. If I was moving to Texas now I would head for Fort Worth. Much more affordable and a very happening scene. |
I'm going to plan a trip _________________ Emmons PP, Mullen G2 and Discovery |
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Bill Ladd
From: Wilmington, NC, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 1:11 pm
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Karen Sarkisian wrote: |
Bob Hoffnar wrote: |
Come on down to Austin ! It's getting expensive here though. If I was moving to Texas now I would head for Fort Worth. Much more affordable and a very happening scene. |
I'm going to plan a trip |
Cool. With two good folks like Bob and Herb willing to lend a hand - sounds like the place to go to me! |
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Bob Hoffnar
From: Austin, Tx
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 6:42 pm
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When calculating housing costs look very carefully at property taxes. It is a serious issue in Austin. It has made it prohibitive for the music community to stay here. _________________ Bob |
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Karen Sarkisian
From: Boston, MA, USA
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Posted 14 Jul 2017 6:47 pm
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Bob Hoffnar wrote: |
When calculating housing costs look very carefully at property taxes. It is a serious issue in Austin. It has made it prohibitive for the music community to stay here. |
Could it be worse than where I am now ? $500/month in prop taxes for 1000 sq ft condo. Insane !! Taxechussetts _________________ Emmons PP, Mullen G2 and Discovery |
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Bob Watson
From: Champaign, Illinois, U.S.
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Posted 15 Jul 2017 12:43 am
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Karen, IMHO, if you decide to move to any new city to get involved in the music scene, give it at least a year, preferably two. I think it takes that long to really get established. Best of luck to you. |
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Bob Ricker
From: Nashville Tn
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Posted 15 Jul 2017 9:38 am
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Karen, the thing is you are at least considering your dream. It is up to you, as you know your situation. There are smaller towns available to live in on the perimeter of Nashville that may be less expensive. Plus, the overall job market seems pretty good.
As far as opportunity, in Nashville you never know who you may meet eating lunch, or sitting next to at a club that may present situations/opportunities you may never find any where else. I experience countless situations of people wanting to put something together and explaining ideas and dreams.
I've met someone at a hot dog stand on Music Row getting started, that today is a mega star. So there is also some luck involved. Right place at the right time, and all that.
Like any other career move, do some research and use good common sense. Good Luck. |
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Ron Hogan
From: Nashville, TN, usa
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Posted 15 Jul 2017 9:56 am
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There was an article here in Nashville the last year of research. The average Nashville Musician makes a range of 28k to 34k let year. Middle class starts at 35k up.
Plus a musician doesn't get healthcare and 401k contribution as regular jobs offers. No vacation pay, when the act takes off, most don't get paid till the act comes back.
My wife is a Realtor and has helped several Steelers with places to buy/stay. Nashville is a sellers market right now as there are not enough houses and they are selling much higher then they are worth.
Something I have noticed over years, players that work the club's in town, drink alcohol almost every night. Don't get trapped in that as the rest.
Yes you have much fun, get notoriety. Many great players stay here and are respected but never really bump up in class, money wise and get in a catch 30.
When I use to get Hal Rugg to fill in for me, I would ask him first, "are you booked for any gigs". He would laugh and say "there are gigs?".
Ron
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Damir Besic
From: Nashville,TN.
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Ron Hogan
From: Nashville, TN, usa
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Posted 15 Jul 2017 3:23 pm
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Damir, lol! I see you know all about it.
Come have coffee with me in my cardboard box under Jefferson st.
Ron |
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Rich Upright
From: Florida, USA
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Posted 16 Jul 2017 12:38 am
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How do you make a Nashville musician's car go faster?
Take the Pizza Hut sign off the roof. _________________ A couple D-10s,some vintage guitars & amps, & lotsa junk in the gig bag. |
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Tony Prior
From: Charlotte NC
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Posted 16 Jul 2017 1:24 am
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wherever we seek a gig, be it local , big stage or downtown Broadway, just keep in mind, what worked or didn't work for the last guy may not be what works for us, we are all individuals.
Before we even play ONE note , our own personalities are first and foremost. No different than playing in the local Legions band or trying to get a gig in the local Legions band. _________________ Emmons L-II , Fender Telecasters, B-Benders , Eastman Mandolin ,
Pro Tools 12 on WIN 7 !
jobless- but not homeless- now retired 9 years
CURRENT MUSIC TRACKS AT > https://tprior2241.wixsite.com/website |
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Damir Besic
From: Nashville,TN.
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Posted 16 Jul 2017 2:56 am
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Ron Hogan wrote: |
Damir, lol! I see you know all about it.
Come have coffee with me in my cardboard box under Jefferson st.
Ron |
lol... where we gonna get cash for coffe? _________________ https://steelguitarsonline.com/ |
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G Strout
From: Carabelle, Florida
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Posted 16 Jul 2017 5:32 am
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