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Topic: Paul Franklin - Together Again....How...? |
Tim Russell
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Posted 4 May 2017 11:21 am |
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How does Paul get that huge string stretch? On Together Again, and other songs as well, I've always loved it.
In this clip at the 2:23 mark; I see him rocking his left leg but I can't tell what he is doing on the pedals or knees. It sure sounds like the 5th is being pulled from B to E. The bar stays on the same fret.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAHfcqzhag0
Is that what you guys hear? 5th string raise? There are also other songs where he pulls two strings in unison that are the same type of long stretch. I don't have an example right now...
His copedent on the forum doesn't reflect a 5th string raise of that amount...
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Dale Rivard
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Posted 4 May 2017 11:52 am
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| Hi Tim, I don't have my steel set up right now so I don't know exactly which string groupings and pedal and knee lever combinations are being used but I believe the first part of the lick starts on the 2nd string lowered a whole tone. Then release to the open note, then raise a half tone, then release, then lower a whole tone again. Then he's re attacking the strings. strings 3,4 & 5, raise 5 a whole tone, then release. |
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Earnest Bovine
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Los Angeles CA USA
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Posted 4 May 2017 12:16 pm
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Right. At 2:22, under the high Bb and G, the moving voice D E F E D is string 2 (two knee levers)
The at 2:24, under high A and F, the moving voice D to C is string 5 (A pedal) |
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Tim Heidner
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Groves, TX
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Posted 4 May 2017 2:09 pm
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I like how Vince just sits there listening and chuckling.  |
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Jim Fogarty
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Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 4 May 2017 2:19 pm
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The "falling off the cliff" move @ 2:28-2:35 is what totally knocks me out. Sounds like a complete screwup is about to happen......but, of course, all three voices resolve perfectly.
Outstanding. |
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Tim Russell
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 4 May 2017 2:37 pm
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Hmmm... I really think I hear strings 3,4,5 there. He is on B & C pedals, and plays that lick through with those same strings ringing out.
I know I can get that lick using the 5th string, but if Paul is doing it some other, perhaps easier way, I would rather follow his lead. 
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Tim Russell
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Posted 5 May 2017 2:01 am
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Earnest,
You are right on. Although this move could be completed with the 5th, it is the 2nd string with both raise/lower knees. I had a chance to sit down at the guitar this morning and I have it now.
Funny how the coolest sounds are right under our nose, lol.
Jim,
That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.
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David Nugent
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Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 5 May 2017 3:57 am
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| Those bar slant moves that he executes in the solo are what knock me out!! |
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Bill Ford
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Posted 5 May 2017 4:30 am
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@ 3;25 backslant tears me up..(as does all PF playing),looks like a little "showoff" for Vince.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w8CkHQJWo4
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Tim Russell
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 5 May 2017 11:06 am
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Yes, Paul's backslants...
another trick I cannot master, lol. For some reason, I cannot get the hang of holding onto the bar while shifting it like that.
Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me.
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Randy Schneider
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SW New Mexico, USA
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Posted 5 May 2017 11:16 am
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| Tim Russell wrote: |
Yes, Paul's backslants...
Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me. |
Tim,
There's a pretty good view of Paul's slants in this version from the Marty Stuart show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fScolqR-_Y |
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Bill Ford
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Graniteville SC Aiken
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Posted 5 May 2017 12:45 pm
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I can't do that with a 12 string bar, maybe with a 10 string, I play(own) S12s, and the bar is too long for me, I have to do a wrist backslant. May need to grow longer fingers. BF
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Jeff Mead
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London, England
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Posted 5 May 2017 11:14 pm
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| Tim Russell wrote: |
That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound. |
Tim - would you be able to share how that one's done. It's lovely. |
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Tim Russell
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 6 May 2017 2:24 am
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| Randy Schneider wrote: |
| Tim Russell wrote: |
Yes, Paul's backslants...
Maybe if I saw what he was doing over his shoulder it might be a bit clearer to me. |
Tim,
There's a pretty good view of Paul's slants in this version from the Marty Stuart show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fScolqR-_Y |
Even with the good view, I have a hard time with it. My problem is, I lose grip on the bar, the down pressure. I can't figure how to grip it while pivoting it like that. Some guys have it, some don't. 
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Tim Russell wrote:
That "falling off the cliff", descending run lick is also very nice. I use that one in a few Gospel songs, always loved that sound.
Tim - would you be able to share how that one's done. It's lovely. |
Does anyone have that tabbed out or can share with Jeff how to do that descending run lick?
I can describe it here, but don't have time to tab. I'll do my best, hope this makes sense. It is really a super easy lick, but sounds difficult. A fantastic, awesome sound!
Start at 10th fret, A/B pedals; pick 4,5,6...then, 5,6,8. Then lower E-Eb knee. Slide back to 9th fret, pick 4th string, then 1rst string, slide back to 8th fret. Done!
I might add, look at Vince right after that run/lick...he loves it too. 
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Jeff Mead
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Posted 6 May 2017 3:45 am
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Thanks for that. I could hear the AB with the E lower but wouldn't have figured out adding string 1. I cant wait to try that when I get home.
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David Nugent
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Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 6 May 2017 4:51 am
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| Once we master the reverse slant that Paul executes so well, perhaps we can begin the task of learning the 360 degree spin that Buddy would do on occasion. |
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Larry Behm
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Posted 6 May 2017 8:09 am
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Notice how hard he picks the strings, it makes a difference.
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Tim Russell
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Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 6 May 2017 11:14 am
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| Larry Behm wrote: |
| Notice how hard he picks the strings, it makes a difference. |
Yes, I did notice his hard attack on the strings. He emphasizes passages very well with that. 
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| Once we master the reverse slant that Paul executes so well, perhaps we can begin the task of learning the 360 degree spin that Buddy would do on occasion. |
I have heard of Buddy doing that - unreal! Does anyone, by any chance, have a video of him spinning it like that?
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Bill Ford
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Jim Fogarty
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Phila, Pa, USA
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Posted 6 May 2017 1:07 pm
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5:30 is a complete 360........3:00 is just a regular slant, then he picks up the bar.
All cool stuff, though! |
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Bill Ford
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Posted 6 May 2017 1:22 pm
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Buddy didn't do anything "regular" my 2 cents.LOL
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5:30 is a complete 360........3:00 is just a regular slant, then he picks up the bar.
All cool stuff, though! |
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Tim Russell
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 7 May 2017 3:47 am
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I'll get right to work on that 360, lol. 
If you think my guitar has bar dings now, just wait...
That is just simply amazing, especially 5:30. Thanks for posting the video. I wonder, has any other steeler, pro or otherwise done that?
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David Nugent
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Gum Spring, Va.
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Posted 7 May 2017 4:01 am
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| Not quite certain, (with the guitar player egging him on) thought that I noticed one of them actually being a double spin?? |
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Tim Russell
From:
Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 7 May 2017 12:54 pm
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| David Nugent wrote: |
| Not quite certain, (with the guitar player egging him on) thought that I noticed one of them actually being a double spin?? |
Oh, stop it!
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Tony Dingus
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Kingsport, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 8 May 2017 6:50 pm
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| Dale Rivard wrote: |
| Hi Tim, I don't have my steel set up right now so I don't know exactly which string groupings and pedal and knee lever combinations are being used but I believe the first part of the lick starts on the 2nd string lowered a whole tone. Then release to the open note, then raise a half tone, then release, then lower a whole tone again. Then he's re attacking the strings. strings 3,4 & 5, raise 5 a whole tone, then release. |
Dale is right. I have those changes on my guitar. Paul lowers his 2nd a whole tone on LKR and raises it a half tone on RKR He also raises his 1st and 7th a whole tone on his RKR.
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