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Topic: Roller Nut HELP ! |
Dennis Stambaugh
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New Oxford,Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 16 Apr 2017 5:23 pm |
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While changing strings on my Rains SD 10 Guitar I removed the rollers to clean and oil roller shaft. Well I dropped it and rollers went everywhere. Is there a way to gauge them to get then back into sequence ? I tried two difference way and it's still not right . I have buzzing at the first fret. The 6th and the 2nd strings feel higher and I think this is causing the buzzing on 3, 4.5 which I didn't have before. I have to use excessive pressure on the bar to stop the buzzing.
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richard burton
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 12:03 am
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Take the rollers out again, then wrap, say, a .030 string in the groove of one roller.
Get a micrometer and measure across the whole distance of the string-roller-string.
Do this for all the rollers, using the same .030 string, and take a note of the measurements
The smallest measurement will be for the thickest string etc |
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Tony Prior
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Charlotte NC
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 1:21 am
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Yep, micrometer, under $20 at Lowes !
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ajm
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Los Angeles
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 7:06 am
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Please don't interpret my use of words as being snarky.
I fully understand the obsession with getting things back the way that they were. I've been guilty of it myself more than once.
But technically in this case, does it matter which roller goes with which string?
What are the possible effects if you don't get them back they way that they were?
And........
When new guitars are shipped from the factory, are the rollers gauged, or are they all the same? |
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Dennis Stambaugh
From:
New Oxford,Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 8:55 am
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What are the possible effects String buzzing , more downward pressure on the bar to get rid of the buzzing @ the first fret, bar dragging on the uneven strings and catching. . It's like taking your car to the garage and getting it back and it's not right. Sorry it's just me.
Thanks guys for the infor.
Denny |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 9:39 am
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the reason I would want them back in the same positions is because if there is any wear from perhaps the larger strings or from between the posts it would be preferred to have them back in those same positions if possible.
Is it totally necessary ? probably not. Maybe it's even overkill.
But given the chance to put them back as they were taken off, why not ? It's free.
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Last edited by Tony Prior on 18 Apr 2017 10:20 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Tony Prior
From:
Charlotte NC
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 9:42 am
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| Dennis Stambaugh wrote: |
What are the possible effects String buzzing , more downward pressure on the bar to get rid of the buzzing @ the first fret, bar dragging on the uneven strings and catching. . It's like taking your car to the garage and getting it back and it's not right. Sorry it's just me.
Thanks guys for the infor.
Denny |
Here's a trick I learned along the way. If you have a string or two buzzing, such as 5 and/or 6, wrap them on the opposite side of the tuner , at the bottom, rather than the top. Wind the string tight from the bottom of the post in the opposite direction. It gives a tad more DOWN Pressure from the roller nut. Yes, you will wind those tuners opposite.
I've done this with a couple of Sho Buds that experienced some buzzing, it eliminated the buzzing.
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John Billings
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Ohio, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 12:41 pm
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When I take of the roller assembly, I slide all the rollers together on the axle, and wrap them with masking tape, marking the low string end of the taped together rollers. Never had a problem.
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Dennis Stambaugh
From:
New Oxford,Pennsylvania, USA
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 2:58 pm roller nut
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Good tip John ! Thanks This is the first this happen in 8 years. But it's always the first time. Thanks everyone. I have the problem solved.
Denny |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 4:05 pm
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AJM, gauged rollers aren't needed, as many makers don't bother with them.
But if your guitar HAS them, putting them in the wrong order could result in things going quite wonky if you end up with a deep roller on 3 and a shallow roller on 4
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Bobby Hearn
From:
Henrietta, Tx
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 5:44 pm
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| The rollers on Rains are all the same size unless there has been some kind of mod. Maybe too much oil? I never oil the nut rollers. |
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Lane Gray
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Topeka, KS
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Posted 17 Apr 2017 7:53 pm
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It's also possible that the thinner wires may have worn a groove in the rollers? I like the idea of the calipers.
And it's possible that the previous owner (if there is one) might have replaced the factory rollers with a set of gauged ones, so the fact that Rains didn't use them might not mean anything.
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