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Ron !
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Bob Carlucci
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Posted 25 Mar 2005 12:22 pm |
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| Saw it yesterday Ron.. I think thats the first Bigsby I have ever seen on Pee Bay.. I'm not sure thats the model all the Bigsby lovers freak out over.. It does look like an immaculate piece of engineering and workmanship!!! bob |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 12:22 am
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| This is the fourth Bigsby steel I've seen on ebay. I don't think any of the previous ones sold there though, glad to see the very reasonable opening bid. This is a rare one even for a Bigsby since it's made of cherry. The copedants, even though non original, should make it pretty desirable for anyone who wants have that sound and still have the basic changes of the modern pedal steel. And the seller is right; there's nothing that sounds like a Bigsby. |
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Ron !
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 12:37 am
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I've always wondered what made the Bigsby sound.People are talking about that superb sound.Maybe there are some people that can tell more about this.
Ron
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Paul Warnik
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Illinois,USA
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 9:13 am
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| The owner of this guitar is I believe a Forum member-he is selling for personal reasons and decided to do it through Ebay-He contacted me awhile back in need of parts and such-He did send the guitar to my cohort David Peterson who did the complete rebuild of all the mechanics underneath using what original stuff was there and other Bigsby parts from our stock as needed-Jussi is correct it is very rare to see a cherry wood Bigsby-I am only aware of one other cherry one besides this one-the guitar is offered at a very reasonable opening bid-bearing in mind that is has been "rebuilt" but not "restored" A search of the Forum will show a previous thread in which the player whoose name is on the guitar was discussed-apparently he was known to some degree although not exactly a household name in the the steel guitar community |
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Curt Langston
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 9:20 am
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Hi Jussi! Wonder what "that sound" is. I think everyone has their own "that sound". Now, I know about the "that sound" of a classic push-pull. Or the "that sound" of a Sho-Bud. And,no doubt the Bigsby was a very well crafted instrument for it's time. I believe 85% of "that sound" is obtained by the players technique. You know the old, "the tone is in your hands" line.(which I believe) But if you apply todays demands of pedal steel playing to that Bigsby, it could not hold up. Sure it is a great "vintage" item. Whatever that means. 2,700.00 starting bid? Wow! Maybe this is one of those items that people collect, just to say,"hey, I've got an original Bigsby!" Then they hope to hear back, "wow! where did you find that jewel?" Or "what would you take for it?" Then they could say the phrase they long to say, "Oh, I'm not selling it! These things are collectors items you know".......Yeah, collectors items......2,700.00? Wow!.........  [This message was edited by Curt Langston on 26 March 2005 at 09:22 AM.] |
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Herb Steiner
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Spicewood TX 78669
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 10:24 am
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| Wow! Maybe this is one of those items that people collect, just to say,"hey, I've got an original Bigsby!" Then they hope to hear back, "wow! where did you find that jewel?" Or "what would you take for it?" Then they could say the phrase they long to say, "Oh, I'm not selling it! These things are collectors items you know".......Yeah, collectors items......2,700.00? Wow!......... |
Curt, that is EXACTLY it. And I do own an original Bigsby, and if I thought that guitar on eBay was available at $2700, I'd buy it in a minute. Look for it to go much higher, unless the Bigsby market has dried up.
As a side note, the "demands" of pedal steel playing today really depends on the gig you've got. I just left the James Hand Band, where I played my Bigsby quite adequately some of the time. A gig like Big Sandy, BR549, and some other western swing "retro" gigs I could think of would be just right for that eBay guitar.
Now Brad Paisley's gig, or Kenny Chesney's, or something like that is another story, but that Bigsby is a viable guitar for a lot of pickers nowadays, IMHO.
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Bobby Lee
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Cloverdale, California, USA
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 26 Mar 2005 11:54 pm
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I've never heard that PA had put knee levers on his guitars, his pedal mechanism used changer fingers and keyhead changers.
With "that sound" I mainly meant the PU and the sound it produces on these guitars. I'm no pick up guru so I can't give you a techical specs of it, but I personally marvel that sound everyday. True, usually every picker can sound like him/herself on any given guitar, even I can, but I guarantee you would hear the difference in Bigsby. And like Herb says, they're not for every type of gig, but neither are all six string guitars; you wouldn't take a D'angelico to a heavy metal gig, would you! On the other hand, I don't know what "today's demands for pedal steel" would be. What I hear in contemporary music, rock, pop and country, is usually simple triad harmonies. Why wouldn't an instrument with twenty four strings and a good bunch of pedal changes in skillful hands hold up
If you wonder about the high prices you have to remember the rarity, the suberb craftmanship and the fact that Bigsby is the only steel guitar brand that guitar collectors are willing to offer big bucks. And two three grands in that community is peanuts. [This message was edited by Jussi Huhtakangas on 27 March 2005 at 12:04 AM.] |
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Per Berner
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Posted 27 Mar 2005 12:07 am
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Excuse me for being "young" and slightly ignorant, but what does a Bigsby sound like? I have probably heard it hundreds of times without knowing. Can anyone point me in the direction of some classic recordings with Bigsbys on them, or maybe even post a clip?
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 27 Mar 2005 9:07 am
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Per, just a few examples: anything Speedy West & Jimmy Bryant recorded together, most of Hank Thompson's 50's Capitol recordings, Buddy Emmons with Little Jimmy Dickens ( Buddy's Boogie, Raisin' The Dickens, etc. ) and Faron Young ( Sweet Dreams ), Joaquin Murphy with Tex Williams, Bud Isaacs ( Slowly ) and Sonny Burnette with Webb Pierce or one of my favorite steel guitar tones; go to steel players section here on the forum and look for Ray Montee's post about the same topic!  |
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Paul Warnik
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Illinois,USA
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Posted 27 Mar 2005 9:27 am
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| The knee lever is not original-it was fashioned for the owner from scratch with whatever parts could be used to keep it in the functional fashion of the pedals' cable system-Those who would balk at the opening bid price of this guitar as being for well heeled collectors only know ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about the market value of these rare instruments-while this guitar would probably not bring the high end prices of more pristine and historically important Bigsbys-it would certainly be worth doing a full restoration if the guitar were purchased in the $3000 range-PW |
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Per Berner
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 12:17 am
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Thanks, Jussi!
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Bryan Bradfield
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Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 12:48 pm
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| Could the buyers claim of 40 lbs for the guitar, and 15 lbs for the case be true? I've never been close to a Bigsby, but I would suspect that the guitar would be heavier? |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Bryan Bradfield
From:
Lethbridge, Alberta, Canada.
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 1:11 pm
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| That's what I thought Herb. Some non-muscular steel player is going to get a rude awakening when he hefts that brute. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 28 Mar 2005 10:25 pm
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| I'll be flying with my Bigsby next week ( prayers needed ) and checked the weight; my triple 8 w/ five pedals is 29 kilograms in the case. I'm not sure how much exactly that'd be in lbs, but 55 shouldn't really be that far off. |
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Herb Steiner
From:
Spicewood TX 78669
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Roger Edgington
From:
San Antonio, Texas USA
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Posted 29 Mar 2005 6:33 am
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Herb
I think I know of a band where it could be used also. Lucky for me I don't have an extra $2700, so I don't have to worry about carring it. It is a beautiful guitar for sure. |
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Jussi Huhtakangas
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Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 29 Mar 2005 9:05 pm
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More on the weight issue; is maple heavier than cherry? Would cherry wood make it a bit lighter. Also, mine has the original case which is pretty sturdy and of course the heavy-duty cast aluminium flip out ash-tray  [This message was edited by Jussi Huhtakangas on 29 March 2005 at 11:26 PM.] |
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Per Berner
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Posted 30 Mar 2005 12:28 am
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Jussi, that depends on the individual pieces of wood. Cherry usually weighs around 550-650 kg per m3, hard maple around 600-700.
So chances are cherry would be a little lighter, but it might just as well be the other way around.
If you'd want a significant reduction, something like poplar would do the trick, from 450 kg/m3 - but I'd be surprised if it's strong enough.
Or maybe balsa - 120 kg/m3 - but then you'd have to use really light strings !
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Jussi Huhtakangas
From:
Helsinki, Finland
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Posted 30 Mar 2005 2:57 am
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Ok, so I guess it's the ash tray that makes the difference then
Thanks for the info, Per! |
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Ian Finlay
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Kenton, UK
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Posted 30 Mar 2005 5:09 am
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Guys,
I'm really keen to buy this one. If any of you are after it too, let's at least make sure we don't get into a silly bidding war. Feel free to email me.
If the gentleman selling it is on the forum, I'll make a donation of course! And I'm happy to buy off-ebay too.
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Ron !
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Posted 30 Mar 2005 9:58 am
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Ian.
You have my blessing.I hope it will be yours.I was thinking about buying this one to but I can't raise more then $3000.So I think it would be useless to start bidding on it and drive up the price to high for a fo'bro.
Ron |
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Ian Finlay
From:
Kenton, UK
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Posted 30 Mar 2005 1:58 pm
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Thanks! I figure with what my T8 Stringmaster would fetch, plus a couple of my vintage Gibsons, I may be able to afford this and the Disneyland timeshare my Wife wants! Ooh, that exchange rate....
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