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Topic: Boo wah pedal question |
Ron Pruter
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Arizona, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2017 8:12 pm |
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I really know very little about the C6th neck, but the times I've worked on them, the 8th pedal has fascinated me. Dropping the 10th string from C to A and expecting it to come back in tune when it is that fat and rigid, seems like a real crap shot to me. Can anyone convince me that this can be done with any regularity? Thanks Ron
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Bobby Boggs
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Posted 13 Mar 2017 9:59 pm
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Well, the big guns have been doing it for 53 years that I know of. Yes, it will return sharp, 10 to as much as 20 cents in extreme cases. On keyed guitars with no lower return compensators. We discussed this topic about a month back. Several offered tips as to how they deal with the problem. I'd post a link but I don't have the energy to do a search at this late hour. Maybe some of the early risers can help you out.
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Bobby Boggs
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Ken Metcalf
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San Antonio Texas USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2017 4:17 am
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| My new MSA does it very well |
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Greg Cutshaw
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Corry, PA, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2017 5:17 am
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| I tune the low C string a few cents flat on all my steels. Just a slight bit of variable pressure on the low string end of the bar brings it up to pitch as needed. |
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Gabriel Stutz
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Chicago, USA
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Posted 14 Mar 2017 6:42 am
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| I was the guy that asked about this recently.... All the suggestions were worth pursuing, but in the end I went with Greg's method, as the pull wasn't over tuned, and I don't have compensators or split tuning... I do believe it was just hysteresis in my case. I found a point where my open C was in tune with the normal pressure (it's tuned a bit flat now), and adjusted my pulls accordingly... |
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Ian Rae
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Redditch, England
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Posted 14 Mar 2017 7:11 am
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My homebuilt guitar has a keyless, and in fact nutless, tuner which is just a miniature pull-release changer without the pulls [see left].
My bottom B string (it's a B6 uni) goes down to G# and back quite happily, which makes me wonder if the traditional roller nut is what's causing problems in some cases.
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Georg Sørtun
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Mandal, Agder, Norway
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Posted 14 Mar 2017 7:55 am
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On my modified Dekley w/extended E tuning (with regular keyhead and roller-nuts), I lower the extended low E (a .056NW) down to B (5 half-notes), and also raises it to F#. Returns perfect from both lower and raise, but that PSG has a "groove" on the bridge/changer for that string that prevents slipping at that end, and is similarly grooved on the nut-roller.
On a similarly set-up Dekley that hasn't been given the groove on the bridge/changer - only on the nut-roller, there's a slight hysteresis (it goes sharp) on return from lower. This indicates a minute slip on the bridge. |
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Donny Hinson
From:
Glen Burnie, Md. U.S.A.
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Posted 14 Mar 2017 8:13 am Re: Boo wah pedal question
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| Ron Pruter wrote: |
| Dropping the 10th string from C to A and expecting it to come back in tune when it is that fat and rigid, seems like a real crap shot to me. Can anyone convince me that this can be done with any regularity? |
As Bobby says, it's pretty obvious that it hasn't been a significant issue for most steelers in the past half-century. However, these days, many steelers seem to be more bothered by what their digital tuners indicate than what is really noticeable by ear. And for that bunch, there will likely always be some kind of a tuning problem.  |
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