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Topic: 7th String Raise |
Steve Dodson
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Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2005 9:24 pm |
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Would any of you guys choose raising the 7th string a whole tone over lowering the 6th string a whole tone?
What do you think?[This message was edited by Steve Dodson on 12 March 2005 at 09:39 PM.] |
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Charlie Moore
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Deville, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2005 9:42 pm
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| Steve,i would keep both change's,i raise the 7th string 1/2 tone but have had it at a whole tone,i would'nt want to loose either..IMHO....Charlie... |
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Bobby Boggs
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Upstate SC.
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Posted 12 Mar 2005 9:44 pm
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| I have both.I've had the 7th string whole tone raise with a 1/2 stop since 1990.I used it a lot.However a couple of years ago I added another knee just for the 6th string whole tone lower and split.Well I have the 7th string 1/2 tone lower on with it.My point,since adding the 6th string whole tone lower and split I seldom use the 7th whole raise.I do use the 7th 1/2 raise a good bit.But if I had to choose only one I would go with the 6th string lower...bb |
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Gary Shepherd
From:
Fox, Oklahoma, USA
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Posted 12 Mar 2005 9:44 pm
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Ditto. I've had both changes. I like them both. Of course, they both do basically the same thing. Either one can change a I chord to a V chord. Lots of other uses too.
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Gary Shepherd
Sierra Session D-10
www.16tracks.com
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Jack Stoner
From:
Kansas City, MO
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 2:57 am
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I've raised the 7th string a half tone since the early 70's, when Johnny Cox showed it to me. I also have the 6th string full tone lower with a half tone "split".
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Jon Light
From:
Saugerties, NY
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 6:06 am
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| I have always relied on the 6th string lower split with the B pedal to get a pedals down dom7, albeit a rootless voicing. When I got an Emmons p/p which cannot do the split, it had the 7th string half step raise which showed me the hipness of this dom7 voicing w/ root. It's been a long time and I have yet to do anything about this--I play my Carter 100% of the time and it still doesn't have the 7th string raise but it's on my list of things to consider (along with 37 other things). |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 11:23 am
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I raise the 7th string F# to G# on "pedal zero". I mostly use it for the country effect or for when I need to strum across the strings (with or without the F lever). It sounds real smooth on a pedal. I've been using it for about 7 or 8 years now so I guess it's a keeper.
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 Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra SD-12 (Ext E9), Williams D-12 Crossover, Sierra S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, C6, A6) |
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Steve Dodson
From:
Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 11:28 am
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I have the 6th string whole tone lower with the splits on my guitar now. Also have the B to A# lower which I don't use that much. Thinking of dropping the B to A# and adding the 7th string half tone raise in its place. Anyone have any thoughts as to if which one would be the better one to have?
Thanks[This message was edited by Steve Dodson on 13 March 2005 at 11:33 AM.] |
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Eric West
From:
Portland, Oregon, USA, R.I.P.
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 12:31 pm
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One to consider.
I've got both F#s to G# on a half stop, (RKL) and have a B to Bb vertical.
While going over "sleepwalk" I found that with the AB pedal combo the B-Bb is easier to use then half pedalling the A pedal, and you get the 7th and 1st full tone raise in the minor. ( I know that's not a proper musical way to express it.)
Also it's real handy for melody notes in the A/B/Elower combo. Both octaves.
My new Marrs also uses the Eb to E ( 2nd string), and the C to B C6neck) as the half stop stop point for the 7th and 1st on the same RKL knee lever. It's a little hard to get tuned in, but it's a great set of changes and the two string second pull works great as a half stop.
I've always found that on most guitars the 6th .020 plain is really touchy, and is best for just a half tone B pedal raise. Others' results.. I know that after a quarter century of out of the car trunk gigs on my ex, the old PIII might have made that difference...
EJL[This message was edited by Eric West on 13 March 2005 at 12:35 PM.] |
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Steve Dodson
From:
Sparta, Tennessee, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 1:13 pm
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Thanks for the feedback guys,its helped clear up some things. So while we're at it, what about the 5th string lowered a whole tone B to A. I noticed Randy Beavers is using this. Is this something that you can use alot or just for certain effects?
Steve |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 3:32 pm
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| Thinking of dropping the B to A# and adding the 7th string half tone raise in its place. Anyone have any thoughts as to if which one would be the better one to have? |
In my opinion the B to A# (Jeff Newman's X lever) is much more useful in the overall scheme off things. With tunable splits it gives you a solid C note so you can think of it as two changes in one. Even without the split it fills in a useful scale tone in the IV position and gives you the II7 chord at the I position.
The 7th string raise to G# gives you a new moving tone to connect the notes that are already there. The X lever gives you a note (or two!) that you didn't even have before at that fret. I find new uses for the X lever change all the time. I can't remember the last time I found a new use for the 7th string raise.
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Bobby Lee - email: quasar@b0b.com - gigs - CDs, Open Hearts
Sierra SD-12 (Ext E9), Williams D-12 Crossover, Sierra S-12 (F Diatonic)
Sierra Laptop 8 (E6add9), Fender Stringmaster (E13, C6, A6) |
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Bobby Lee
From:
Cloverdale, California, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 4:56 pm
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Oops. I just realized you were talking about the 7th string half tone raise.  That's more useful than the whole tone raise but IMHO the X lever still has it beat. |
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Charlie Moore
From:
Deville, Louisiana, USA
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Posted 13 Mar 2005 6:13 pm
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Steve,i lower the 5th the 10th string a 1/2 tone then a whole tone with a half stop,lot of possibility's there as well....
Charlie...... |
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Jerry Hayes
From:
Virginia Beach, Va.
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Posted 14 Mar 2005 4:34 am
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I (like b0b) use the 7th string whole tone raise (F# to G#) on my zero pedal. The first person I saw using it there was Tom Brumley who also raised his 10th string B to C# along with it. I use this pedal a lot in fast bluegrass type playing, also you can do a nice arrangment of "Last Date" using just that pedal and your E lowers...JH in Va.
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